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"speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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"speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, this amendment intends to make it punitive to carry stolen materials, especially those related to the energy sector. I wanted to propose, maybe as a middle ground, that instead of deleting the entire amendment, the Chairman should consider adding a proviso that any vessel that is used to convey the vandalised or stolen equipment or appliances referred to in subsection (1) shall be forfeited to the State, provided that the owner of the vessel is not the person who is guilty of having vandalised the equipment. This amendment intends to discourage people who lease out their cars for transportation, without knowing what is being transported. In view of what the Committee is saying, we also need to protect other innocent people, including ourselves. Your driver may take your car and ferry a vandalised transformer. Your car will be unknowingly forfeited to the State. I do not know what proviso we can put in place. Maybe the legal officers can help us to"
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"speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah",
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "create a proviso that as long as you are not a wilful partaker in the crime, you do not forfeit your vehicle. We could also add a proviso to create some due process and not automatic forfeiture of the vehicle. One can go through some process to establish their innocence. I do not know whether that was the intent of the amendment – that you must go through some due process in court to show that you never intended to transport stolen equipment knowingly. However, if you knowingly transported stolen transformers and other equipment, you forfeit that vehicle. This is not the first such proviso. Under the KWS Act, if you transport poached animals, you forfeit your vehicle. What was your vehicle doing in a game park ferrying elephant tusks? You forfeit your vehicle if you slaughter antelopes in the game reserves. It is there. So, we just need to introduce a further amendment to include a similar punitive proviso which discourages people from ferrying stolen goods."
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"content": " Proceed, Hon. Emaase. As Hon. Emaase speaks on this, Hon. Chairman, could you consider coming up with a further amendment? Let us hear Hon. Emaase’s contribution. Be brief. You have one minute."
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"speaker_name": "Teso South, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mary Emaase",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I support the Committee’s position. I agree that this is a very serious offence and that thieves must be punished. There should be a serious provision for punishing them. I am just from my constituency where many cables have been stolen and my people are in darkness. We cannot allow this to continue. Those who steal cables must be punished."
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"content": " You have made your point."
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"speaker_name": "Teso South, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mary Emaase",
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"content": " We should not punish innocent vehicle owners because your vehicle can be hijacked and used to transport those cables."
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"content": " You have made your point. Hon. Gisairo, proceed."
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"speaker_name": "Kitutu Masaba, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Clive Gisairo",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I support the deletion as proposed because, if a car has been leased out, it would be wrong to punish the owner because he may not have been aware that the car will be used for that kind of activity. While we are against the theft and vandalism of electrical materials in our constituencies and the country in general, if you use your vehicle to ferry stolen materials, you should forfeit it because you are a culprit. Thank you."
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