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"speaker_name": "Githunguri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba",
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"content": "I personally went to various hospitals after I got many calls from my voters on matters to do with denial of access to health treatment. I went to two mission-run hospitals, one public referral hospital and one Level Two hospital. I interacted with the patients and gathered that there is a big problem. As the Leader of the Majority Party said, we sat here and passed these laws. I did not pass them because I had issues with one of them. We must appreciate that you do not bring a new law and rush to implement it without involving the stakeholders. One of the hospitals confessed to me that they are owed over Ksh200 million by the former National Hospital Insurance Fund (NHIF) and, therefore, they have a problem. How do you tell them to continue"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Githunguri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba",
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"content": "treating patients under a new programme and yet, you have not sorted out your previous debts? That is a problem."
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"speaker_name": "Githunguri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba",
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"content": "Most hospitals are rejecting patients because they feel that they should have been clearly informed that we are migrating. Are we migrating with unpaid debts? Are we migrating with the same problems under the former NHIF that we have not sorted? That is the problem. Let us not come here and read out numbers. I appreciate the numbers that have been read out by the Leader of the Majority Party and our Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health, Dr Robert Pukose. However, our people are not waiting for numbers. They are waiting to hear how they will be treated in hospitals tomorrow. When I went to one of the hospitals, I found a patient who had been withdrawn from the ward only to go and queue for dialysis at 6.00 a.m. I visited that hospital in Nairobi at 4.00 p.m. I found that patient waiting in the queue. He told me that the reason he had been waiting from 6.00 a.m. to 4.00 p.m. every day was because the SHA was supposed to send messages so that he could be on boarded for services, yet they were not being accepted."
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"speaker_name": "Githunguri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba",
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"content": "We must tell it as it is. This new programme is a total confusion and a total mess. Our people do not know what to do and we must go back to the drawing board. But for now, let us withdraw these processes and go back to the original programme until we get it right. That SHA, SHIF…"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " Hon. Sabina Chege. Because of the limited debate time, let us avoid points of order so that we tell Kenyans what to do."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to thank Hon. Lilian Gogo for this Motion. She has been consistent on this matter. I have heard her raise it before. The problem with the implementation of SHA and SHIF is the clarity of the transition. When the Government decided to move from NHIF to the SHA, and with the benefits that the Chairman gave us — from social health insurance, to emergency and primary care — there was no proper communication and clarity on the benefits. As a former Chair, yes, NHIF had many challenges but when patients visited hospitals, they knew what to expect. So, a patient who was to go for dialysis or chemotherapy, and those are the majority, knew what to pay and if they were to top up. Unfortunately, when 1st October came, I also became a victim. I had a patient in hospital and even with an insurance, it was very difficult to claim what was meant to be NHIF which now had become SHIF under SHA."
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"content": "Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health, these Members, and I know even yourself, interact with your constituents. It is high time we did public participation - a quick one - to see how we can communicate. Social media is there and many Kenyans consume a lot of information in the social media. Could we use this as an opportunity also to educate Kenyans on the benefits? Currently, there is no clarity, I would also like the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health to listen to me. We have patients who have cornea. They have a problem with their hearing and they need cornea transplants. I want the Chairman to clarify whether those patients are covered. We also have children with autism."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Sabina Chege",
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"content": "When we talk about deducting money, yes, there are people who are paid by the Government, like ourselves. But why is it that the deduction becomes punitive only for those with a payslip, while those without a payslip are left out? It is important that we look at the deductions and harmonise them, whether one is employed by the Government or in the private sector."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Sabina Chege",
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"content": "It is also very important that we inform the public in general on the benefits that are expected, and especially the hospitals. I interacted with one of the officers who told me they have no clarity from the former NHIF now SHA, on the transition and how they are supposed to handle the patients. So, this matter is urgent. It is urgent for Kenyans and it is important that the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health and ourselves…"
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