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"speaker_name": "Moyale, UPIA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Prof.) Guyo Jaldesa",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is a good thing. This House approved that Bill. It went through all the three stages. Unfortunately, Members of Parliament do not understand what they passed. We need to have a Kamukunji for Members of Parliament so that when they go out in public, they know what to tell Kenyans. We know that there have been teething problems. Any new project must have transitional teething problems. That should be sorted out. When we met the SHA team last week, we told them that they should open a tent to register Members of Parliament and their staff, so that they understand the system, ask questions, and then go out to the public to tell them what to do. Finally, because I can see the light is changing, the counties have collapsed and it is giving us problems. Do not close any of the former NHIF branches and do not lay off its staff just because we have changed from the NHIF to SHA. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " Hon. Gideon Ochanda."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The juggernaut that is before the nation is a combination of factors. The very basic one is poor learning experiences. We have seen those failures before, but it is like we did not learn. Because of that, we have not connected those learning experiences to how to communicate with the public, and to manage the transition. This is basically the main problem we have as a nation. All these registration processes have failed before. In the last Parliament, we placed Ksh6 million for three years for purposes of registering indigents, but nothing came out of it. In the past, registration of basic things like the Huduma Namba has failed the nation. Therefore, when we talk about registration of any manner, we must learn from the past experience to package how we communicate with the public. And that is where the biggest problem is. What I was talking about is fantastic, but the public does not have that information."
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"content": "Who is supposed to communicate to the public? I do not think Members of Parliament are supposed to give official communication from the Government to the public. They can only help, but there is a basic department of Government that is mandated to officially communicate with the public on Government matters. For instance, the management of Identification Numbers (IDs). We initially had that big thing. It remained because it works. Then we changed to the small ones. The old ones worked for a longer period of time. Why do we not have the registration of NHIF and the rest that we had before, work through the entire period, so that we do not put a stop or an end to an exercise that we know must run on for a long period of time?"
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"content": "The registration process and even the start date of SHA has failed to pick up in the last two years. Those are the kind of things that make the public not to trust the process. They are not getting information the way they want and believing becomes a problem. We must reorganise how we communicate for us to deal with the public. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"content": " Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Kitui Central, WDM",
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"content": " Thank you very much. I just want to join colleagues in appreciating this Motion. I want to go on record that I participated in passing the three pieces of law. However, there are things we objected to; we said that they did not make sense, but as usual, our voices were buried."
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"content": "One of them, which is critical, is this: when you are introducing a new programme, if you are programmatic in terms of thinking, there is always what we call the piloting phase. This is where you pilot, and as a result of the lessons learnt from piloting, you can then roll out to the whole country. I think that is what Hon. (Dr) Gideon Ochanda is saying. We missed the interface and that is why we are facing so many challenges in terms of the transitional phase."
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"content": "Secondly, you will recall that the issue of the staff was very hot debate in this House. We said that it is important to assure the NHIF staff that they will be taken care of in terms of transition. Now, an Authority has come on board and it is using very demotivated staff. This is because they have not come out clear on the fate of the NHIF staff. They expect them to be very happy. If you do not get it right on some of these things, then you fail."
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