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"content": "The third point is the issue of the budget; the allocation is less than a quarter of what is expected. But to make things worse, we come here and publicly announce that we have a digital system that we are going to install and will cost Kshs104 billion. You are telling us that you do not have a budget to roll out the programme, but you are buying a digital system at Kshs104 billion. These are the issues and the Government should listen. When Kenyans say that this thing is not working, can we give them time? Can we allow the process another four months so that we have the interface, NHIF and SHA? If we do that, within five months, we will actually phase out NHIF and have SHIF on board in a very smooth way, without really disturbing the process as it is now. Thank you,"
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"content": " Hon. Irene Mayaka will be followed by Hon. Andrew Okuome."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I just want to express the sentiments of the majority of Members here. One of the biggest gaps in SHA and SHIF is the lack of communication, either to the public or Members of Parliament who represent the public. Nobody knows what is going on, and that is the biggest issue that we really need to take care of. For instance, majority of the staffers working under NHIF are now worried. They do not know what will happen next. Nobody has communicated what is going to happen to them. This communication needs to be very clear. Many Members have suggested we hold a Kamukunji . I actually think that we should have the Cabinet Secretary come here during a session so that we ask proper questions for the public to see exactly what is going on."
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"content": "The other thing is that this is an information technology based technological system. One of the things we know in the information technology space is that when moving to a different technology, you have to do a grandfather piloting. This means that you pilot in batches. Try the technology in one section and see if it works. If it does not work, you get the feedback and rectify that and grandfather that system, then move onto the next batch. But this was done en masse which is very scary and dangerous. Many patients have suffered as a result of this. I, therefore, urge the Chairman and the Cabinet Secretary, who I hope is listening, that they now start a process of communication. We have access to social media, local media and vernacular media. They should use these platforms that they have access to, to educate Kenyans properly for them to understand this. Also, they should take the feedback that they are receiving from Kenyans so that they can know what the issues are. Otherwise, there will be no acceptance of SHA and SHIF as an alternative to NHIF. Right now, everyone believes that the NHIF is what works. It is, therefore, up to us and we have the responsibility of ensuring that the public"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "understands why this is a better alternative. As at now, we all do not think it is a better alternative."
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Irene Mayaka",
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"content": "Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Andrew Okuome."
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"speaker_name": "Karachuonyo, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Adipo Okuome",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. In fact, I am surprised that some of us deny that people are suffering out there. The situation out there is very serious, and because of that, I am happy that my colleague, Hon. Gogo brought up this issue. One of the things I feel is the cause of this problem is the changing of names from NHIF to SHIF. Perhaps the system should have worked in such a way that the two systems run concurrently, as NHIF gives way to SHIF. But when they did the shift in one day, a number of people were caught up. They were neither in NHIF where they were de-registered, nor were they in the new system of SHIF. So, when they fall sick, their fate is death. We must admit this because if somebody is not in either NHIF or SHIF, then they are not registered. With that situation, the Government must take this thing very seriously because even as I speak, there are many people who are not registered anywhere. We need to do something on this very urgently. In addition to that, a bad mistake was made. There was no adequate public participation. There was none. People do not know what is going on. That is why you hear them saying SHIF, SHAF, HIS… whatever."
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