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"content": "hospital bills across the country. The problem is not even the hospital bill; it is the commercialised medical services in this country. When you walk to a private facility or health centre, they cannot explain to you why they are charging, for example, the amount they are charging in their medical bills. In some instances, private medical facilities charge Kshs20 million in medical bills. When you ask them about the gloves and the syringes, they cannot quantify who gave them. We should regulate private health facilities across the country because no one can explain the hospital bills they give. Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital (MTRH), Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Hospital, and Coast General Provisional Hospital have a way of providing waivers to the needy. This is different in the private facilities. You saw the Body by Design Clinic that led to the death of the late Lucy Wambui, may her soul rest in peace, who was buried the other day. We were told that the facility was licensed to provide massage services, but you were told they were performing some surgery for beauty. This shows that there is a problem within the system. I hope that at the end of it all, we will address such issues. One of the major issues is compassionate donations. Some of us have been around for a long time. I remember in the last session, the Coalition of Restoration of Democracy (CORD), when the teachers were on strike. They came up with a pay bill to fundraise for teachers then, although no one told us what happened to that money that was being raised. I hope that with the audit coming under this Bill, we will know when such cases happen. I agree largely with the spirit of the Bill. However, I have reservations about fundraising. What I expected from this Bill was simplifying the process. If you want to do a Harambee, you get a permit. Nonetheless, introducing a Cabinet Secretary, audits and taxation is unnecessary. It is lethargy of the entire process, clogging it. We should make the issue of doing a harambee in this country simple, where you need a permit to do a harambee by giving a substantive reason. If it is a medical reason, let it be known. If it is about building a religious place or on compassionate grounds, let it be known. Cabinet Secretaries of this Republic have better things to do than regulate harambees. I would have expected that we would give a law that we give even through a law that provides for clear guidelines. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the issue of appeals, there is public fundraising Bill. You remember when there was a ravaging drought and issues of hunger in the country, there was the Kenyans for Kenya initiative which was used to fundraise. I agree with such. However, we should conduct audit on public fundraising appeals. I do not know whether Morara Kebaso, the proponent of ‘inject,’ who is fundraising for fuel and walking around with security to audit, is part of public fundraising appeals. I do not know whether fundraising to fuel your car to do something is part of the public fundraising. I agree that there must be standards The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "for such. Does public fundraising also involve fundraising for campaigns? I have not seen it in this Bill. We do have campaign finance laws in this country. We should, therefore, just regulate public fundraising appeals, so that we do not create bureaucracy. Imagine a small village somewhere in Nandi County which has lost someone and have a target of Kshs250,000 to enable them bury that person. Why create a bureaucracy for them? Why do they have to look for a chief, County Executive Committee Member (CECM) or a Cabinet Secretary to get an approval to fundraise for such an amount?"
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"content": "Why do we not bring a standardised permit that will be used when someone wants to conduct a fundraiser? They should start with the lowest person there, who is mzee wa mtaa, then get approval from the local chief. How many people in that small village in Machakos County know of the CECM, waziri or the sub-county administrator? It is unfortunate that we want to introduce something like that. I do not see anything on receiving, vetting and processing of applications. Let me walk to the chief's office and get a permit to conduct a harambee. I should fill it and allow the chief to look at it, then proceed to hold the harambee. However, vetting and approval can be done for public fundraising appeals like the one for food. I do not see any need of doing the same for private ones. Auditing and investigation of misuse of funds are issues that can be done on public"
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"content": "harambees."
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"content": "Establishment of endowment funds is also important. It can be done on establishments such as the Dr. Hassanally Rattansi and other endowment funds. The role of a Cabinet Secretary and CECM is highlighted together with inspections of records. There are many other better things that a CECM and a Cabinet Secretary can do other than regulating harambees. Let us be fair to this country. Let us prepare laws that are fair to Kenyans. No one is denying that harambees are good. Some of us are products of harambees. Maybe, I would not have been a Senator if I did not get support from the harambee which helped me get through my schooling. I am sure the same applies to a number of Members in this House. Let us not lose the real and noble intentions of harambee. It is true that individuals have hijacked harambees to launder their money. We have seen cases where people have contributed Kshs5 million or Kshs10 million in cash, yet their salaries are known. How can somebody earning Kshs500,000, which after tax comes to around Kshs300,000, contribute Kshs5 million in a harambee and they also have a loan through mortgage facility? We know their salary, the number of cows they have and what they do. I agree that there are cases where harambees have been used to launder public money, but we should not kill the spirit of harambee. Harambees enabled The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "those of us who grew up in the village to go to school, build cattle dips and have good places of worship at the end of the day. Let us not lose that good intention. I will comment on the issue of solicitating members for public or private benefit. I know people who do fundraising for their own selfish benefit and we must root out such individuals. If you conduct a harambee, it should be for something good. We do not want Kenyans to conduct a harambee in order for them to buy a vehicle, build a house or buy a good suit. We agree that harambees are important because they assist in alleviating economic burdens. The other thing is regulation of harambees. I have insisted that we should know the target. In fact, I will be proposing in the Committee of the Whole that if the target of a harambee is beyond Kshs1 million, then a permit should be issued, but if it is below Kshs1 million, then you can just notify the local administrator such as the chief or mzee wa mtaa . This, as it is now, would require a small village somewhere in Siaya County to get a permit to raise Kshs100,000 or Kshs150,000. I know funeral expenses are expensive because it is quite an elaborate process in Luo-Nyanza. However, why would people who are fundraising for Kshs250,000 require a permit? The permit should be left to those people who want to collect Kshs1 million and above. Let us leave the process of approval within the NGAO administration or the CECM. Next is the lifestyle audit. The people who use these fundraisers to launder public money should be audited. If lifestyle audit is done, then we do not need this law. We should conduct this audit on individuals who are suspects. I am rushing through so that my colleagues can also get a chance. Next is Clause 11. Yesterday, the Members of Nandi County Assembly disagreed when the ad hoc report was being tabled. The report tried to redeem the county from bad governance of Governor Sang. People are stealing in order to give funds in public. People are stealing county money to go and conduct big fundraisers. In fact, my governor contributes Kshs1,000,000 or Kshs500,000 in public harambees, yet we know how much his salary is. That is how corruption thrives in Nandi County. I thank the great people of Nandi County for coming out in large numbers yesterday and staying up to midnight to defend and protect their rights. I want to tell the church and the religious organizations that sadaka"
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"content": ". I heard a Senator say that a pastor was preaching about public fundraisers when he went to church. Pastor Ng’ang’a and the rest of the preachers might blame the Senate, but I want to assure the church and religious organizations that sadaka and tithes have not been touched. It will not form part of public fundraisers. Sadaka, tithes, donation to the church and joining membership fee of free organizations shall not be touched. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, lotteries or raffles like Sport Pesa and the rest have also not been touched. I met my religious leaders and we argued on whether these things have been touched or not, but the law has exempted such. I will move to Clause 13 because my time is almost up. I do not agree that we ban public officers or elected officials from conducting a harambee. I am The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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