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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the record, that should be struck off the record of the HANSARD. I am not looking for any money. I am consulting so that I can contribute towards the Bill."
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"content": " Very well. Sen. Gloria."
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"content": "I apologize, Mo Fire and withdraw. I will go to the Memorandum of Objectives and Reasons on paragraphs 1, 2, 3 and 4, so that we can remind ourselves as to why this piece of legislation was here. It is on page 726. That is how it is paginated on top. It clearly states that the Bill is also based on the need to reduce the culture of dependency that harambees have imbued in the society, extending even essentially private affairs to the larger public. If you read further down, it says that its passage will promote the use of devolved structures as entities for promoting structured social development by ensuring that the conduct of the public appeals is approved by assessing their links to the needs and priorities of the counties. You know one thing we have in this country, and not only this country, I think many Africans, maybe it is our culture, I do not know, someone must do research. We like to glorify poverty. I can tell you most people, their inboxes and their phones, it starts with, ‘Hi, Mheshimiwa . I am a single mother, my background is I was raised in the slums,’ blah, and blah, blah. Yes, there is a majority. However, we glorify poverty to the extent that it is not fancy if you are making it in life. It is not a good thing if you are independent. So, the fact that we have literally mainstreamed glorifying poverty, it is like there has to be a story of poverty in your life and then we will look at you and say, okay, now you are a leader. The fact that we have glorified poverty has further pushed that bad culture of dependency. When every single time you talk to someone and say, but do you not think if this particular service was made efficient, ‘ah, but you know, some of us, we cannot.’ They will always find a reason. I will give you an example. Recently I went to Mama Lucy Hospital, again, on a charitable initiative. When I say charitable, again it is ‘harambee - Nyayo! ’ I also wanted to understand what was happening in Mama Lucy because we have had a lot of complaints. So, I went around, looked at the wards, I could see definitely we have an issue with infrastructure. I had baby blankets to give out to the newborns. At least on three separate occasions when I was engaging the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "mothers to the beneficiaries of those blankets. One of them said, “you have brought blankets and sanitary pads. However, I have not gotten diapers.” I had to say, okay. Diapers were taken to the wing where we had about 17 abandoned babies. On another occasion, you give this and that, and they say, ‘but you have not brought A, B, C, D.’ On several occasions, someone said, ‘yes, but you could have given us also Kshs2,500, at least Kshs3,000, give us something.’ I asked, ‘do you have a pending bill, is it that you have to pay, is Linda Mama not working?’ They said, “no, that service is free, but since you are giving, and I mean, you have come with a blanket, and you have come with this; you might as well also give money.” You therefore understand how that culture is born. It is not like, ‘thank you so much for this.’ It is like, ‘give me more and give me more.’ I want to say, this Bill is not about politicians who are misbehaving, but every single Kenyan who is misbehaving. I have told you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, politicians misbehave by ensuring that they are the ones who are contributing the most to show off. Not only do they misbehave on that nature, but it also pushes on corrupt activities, so that they can fuel all their weekend harambees. We have seen individuals in households misbehaving. I have told you, we are going to visit a neighbour, they open a WhatsApp group to collect. People have killed their parents who are still alive, just so they can run harambees. People have actually run harambees stating that their children are sick, yet their children are not sick, just so they can run harambees and benefit. It is a whole industry. Out of that bad behaviour and bad culture of Kenyans, from leadership to the bottom, I want to fully support this Bill. It is time that we tell each other the truth. The truth is, as I conclude, Harambee - Nyayo, the spirit of dependency that is where this came from. Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I want to start by saying that I do not support this Bill. The reasons I will not even support it is because, from our forefathers, this nation was built through harambee. There are three very important harambees that people conduct in this country. One is fundraising for school fees. Even now, after the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG- CDF) is in place, it cannot provide school fees or bursaries for each and every child, especially those who are coming from very poor backgrounds. That is a harambee that I will always go and give. That is why I have to say no to this Bill. Unless the government makes education free from Early Childhood Development Education (ECDE) to university, then I can say ‘yes’ to such a Bill as long as school fees is being paid. Students are already complaining about the model of educating the students in universities. Some of them cannot even afford to pay for the hostels because the fees are very high. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "They are not getting the help that they were getting before. They cannot even afford money to pay for accommodation. So, they are going to college and loitering around during daytime and going to look for abandoned places to go and sleep because they cannot afford. I can never vote for this Bill to continue because what are we telling those students who cannot afford school fees right now? They have no food to eat, they have nowhere to sleep, yet we are sleeping comfortably and here we are making laws to continue oppressing them? The second reason I cannot vote ‘yes’ for this Bill to outlaw fundraising is that most of the patients have hospital bills and cannot afford. We have seen them actually being made prisoners in hospitals, even government hospitals. I cannot tell you how many times I have walked into Machakos hospitals, Level 4, Level 5 and Level 3, and found patients being detained for lack of payments of their bills. Some of them, even if they are detained in that hospital, for a whole year they can never pay. The hospital, maybe the governors also have bills to put up, so they retain them. Unless medical healthcare has been made free in this country, I can never vote ‘yes’ for such a Bill because I know there are people who are really suffering. Some even die and they cannot even take their dead people to go and bury because they have bills in hospitals, not only in government hospitals, even also in private hospitals. This is a Bill we cannot be talking about right now. Kenya is not yet there. We hope to be there, but we are not yet there. The third reason that will make me not vote ‘yes’ for this Bill is how we are dealing with the hospital. Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) is not working completely. The other day I was called by one of my coordinators, telling me that she was admitted in hospital and she has been discharged. When they entered the SHIF number, SHA reported back to them that she has to remain in the hospital for the next five days for her to be discharged, yet, she is not on any treatment. I had to call and ask the National Hospital Insurance Fund (NHIF) officers why somebody was being detained in the hospital after they had been discharged. That is when she was released. The Social Health Authority (SHA) is not working. Therefore, this is a wrong time to bring such a Bill. If there is any Bill that we should be discussing here now, it should be on how to regulate SHA to make it work and function properly. Even private hospitals are not accepting anybody with these cards, unless they make a cash deposit. We have a big problem in this country. If there is anything we should be discussing here this afternoon is how to solve those problems. First of all, make education free from Early Childhood Development Education (ECDE) to university. Secondly, make healthcare free, especially in Government hospitals. Thirdly, churches and mosques have no money to build their infrastructure. Well- wishers build mosques. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, you are a Muslim. You know well that there is no imam who can build a mosque. They have to depend on well-wishers to The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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