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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "with secondary school education who has been practising farming must be able to articulate issues on farming, and can also competently discuss matters with the board. It is discriminatory to indicate that they must have management experience and skills of, at least, three years."
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"content": " Yes, Hon. Osoro."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I think Hon. Gichimu might have failed to move a further amendment and that is why we are in the situation that we are in. However, even us we debate with..."
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"content": " I think we will have to go back to Clause 8."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, as we go back, I really want to persuade Hon. Wamuchomba or Hon. Chairman with the reasoning that we need to be very careful not to go against the spirit of the Constitution on discrimination. In this very House, a degree requirement was passed, but it has always been deferred on implementation through very many other channels like courts and many other aspects. People say a degree is not a measure of intelligence. That is why we have people here who did not even go beyond Standard VIII, but they are doing very well. Speaking good English is not a measure of intelligence. The authenticity of one’s experience and what they can do in life, sometimes, comes out of practice and what they do often. If a Standard III person, like my grandfather, has been able to maintain his own farm and coffee for 20, 30 to 40 years successfully, that experience is enough. He does not need a Form IV paper that was teaching about anthropology and parts of a bunsen burner. Let us be practical."
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"content": " We have heard you."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me finish. This will be a hybrid board. There is a person with a degree and there is also one who did not go to school, and that is okay."
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