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"speaker_name": "Tigania West, UDA",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, this particular clause is bringing a lot of issues. The original version of this Bill is very, very clear. Let us look at the amendment versus the original version of the Bill. The amendment seems to be knocking out 8B. It, therefore, seems to be doing away with those two provisions. I am of the opinion that we stick to the original version of the Bill on that particular issue. Hon. Gichimu is bringing in further amendments to only stick to 8C. That is, exclude 8C to 7E and F. That is what he should be saying, unless he brings a further amendment."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": " The problem and dilemma I have is this aspect of trying to rush business in the House. Hang on a minute. Ideally, if we have to go strictly by the rules, we can only go back to the original Bill through a recommittal. However, because there is a scanty understanding and we have been educated on it, I am tempted to go back to Clause 8. I want to put the Question on all the proposals afresh because…"
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"speaker_title": "Hon. Silvanus Osoro",
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"content": " Before you put the Question, I would like to ask for a bit of clarity, particularly on Clause 8(1)(c) in the original Bill, which states that a person is qualified if they have at least three years' experience, preferably in management in the coffee sector. We all agree that most people who are elected in the villages or local society groups are the only ones with experience. Back then, there were no educational qualifications. They are the only ones who can lead the co-operative societies back in the villages. If I am not elected or did not manage to get elected, and the person who was elected does not have the minimum educational qualifications, where will a farmer in the village get three years of experience, particularly in terms of management? Hon. Temporary Chairman, you posed a very important question. How do we authenticate the management? Do we again go to the farmers and say that we have been able to manage our farms and now we have three years' experience? If the Chairman can convince me on this particular one…The qualification on secondary school education is quite convincing, but this particular one on three years' experience is unnecessary. People out there lose out on jobs because of lack of experience. No."
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"content": " Hon. Mutunga, how many members sit on the Coffee Board? Educate us on that."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga spoke off record)"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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"content": "There are nine members in the industry who promote coffee production and marketing so that we can reap the \"black gold.\""
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"speaker_name": "Tigania West, UDA",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, we are talking about the Coffee Board of Kenya."
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"speaker_name": "Tigania West, UDA",
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": " That is what I thought."
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"speaker_name": "Tigania West, UDA",
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"content": " This is the Coffee Board of Kenya. It has absolutely nothing to do with what happens in the villages. Let me be very basic. Assume I have attended school up to Form IV and have a very successful coffee farm, do I have experience?"
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