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            "speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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            "content": "be safer that way because it will be easy for us to get any other body. We will be exporting coffee, and we will be subject to standards in other countries. If we just rely on KEBS standards and it fails standards outside the country, what recourse do we have?"
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            "speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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            "content": " Hon. (Dr) Mutunga, before you talk on that, I know there are certain European Union standards for the beef, fish and many other things that are exported from this country. They insist on their own standards. In fact, I cannot see why they would not insist on the coffee industry. Would you want to consult with your own technocrats? Proceed."
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            "speaker_name": "Tigania West, UDA",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga",
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            "content": " No. I would like to refer the House to function (m)."
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            "type": "speech",
            "speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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            "content": " Which one? (m) of Clause 11?"
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            "speaker_name": "Tigania West, UDA",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga",
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            "content": " Clause 11(m). It states: \"Conduct surveillance and enforce compliance with relevant policy standards and legislation of the coffee sector.\" That opens up for everyone else. We need to remember that KEBS is the custodian of the standards in this country. Anyone who is doing a standard must consult KEBS, even when one is coming up with the nomenclature of a particular standard. We cannot say any institution from anywhere will come and develop standards without consultations. Thus, the Bill prescribes consultation. It does not say 'as approved by KEBS.' Consultation can also lead to an annulation of a standard. I do not know why my respected friend is not comfortable."
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            "speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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                "legal_name": "Farah Maalim Mohamed",
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            "content": " Hon. (Dr) Oundo. I am extremely impressed. We might not have many people here, but there is a hell of a lot of knowledge coming out of this. We have serious experts here. Proceed, Hon. (Dr) Oundo."
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            "speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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            "content": " Hon. Temporary Chairman, we already have an anomaly in this country. The enforcer is the same one who sets the standards, and that debate is ongoing in this country. Surely, KEBS cannot set standards and enforce its own standards. What he is referring to in (m) is enforcement. This is distinctly different from setting standards. For him to understand, KEBS register standards. Many other scientists and players in the industry develop standards and go through a standardisation process, and KEBS, many a times, registers those standards."
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            "speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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            "content": "Hon. Temporary Chairman, Public Health sets standards without reference to KEBS, that is, without interference from KEBs. Kenya Plant Health Inspectorate Service (KEPHIS) sets standards."
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            "type": "speech",
            "speaker_name": "Hon. Farah Maalim",
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            "content": " Proceed, Hon. (Dr) Oundo. Hon. (Dr) Mutunga, you will get your moment."
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            "speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
            "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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            "content": " The medical field has standards that are not referenced to KEBS. The Ministry of Education sets standards for a degree programme. The coffee industry is not about the coffee cherry. Even the International Organisation for Standardisation (ISO) is not accredited by KEBs. What are we talking about, Hon. Temporary Chairman? We are simply refusing to see the obvious. I rest my case."
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