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"speaker_name": "Kilifi North, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Owen Baya",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is very unfortunate that a Chairperson of a Committee, especially on the Majority Side, can read a Statement, present it as a fact on the Floor of the House, but when she is questioned, the next minute she says she does not believe in it. The honourable thing to do is to expunge it from the record of the House and withdraw it. She should do that instead of reading a Statement, giving information to the House and then cycle back and say: “I actually do not believe in it.” I request the Hon. Chairlady, whom I have a lot of respect for, to request this House to expunge that Report so that we get the right report. I think that will be the set procedure, other than to hold onto a report on record which the Chairlady does not believe in because she thinks it is erroneous, and still give it to the Hon. Member. Therefore, I would like to request the Hon. Chairlady to, please, withdraw the Statement, request it be expunged from the record and say that she will bring another one another time. The way we are going is not honourable at all. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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"legal_name": "Jeremiah Omboko Milemba",
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"content": " Let me hear from, Hon. Wanyonyi."
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"speaker_name": "Kwanza, FORD-Kenya",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I agree with the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. It is not fair for a Statement from the Government to be read by a Chairlady of a Departmental Committee before us, as the whole nation is watching and listening to what the Chairlady is saying, and then she says she does not agree with the response. We are the representatives of the people. Therefore, it is out of order for the Chairlady to say that she does not have confidence in it. She must extract that Statement from the record. It is unfair and wrong to do so."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
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"legal_name": "Jeremiah Omboko Milemba",
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"content": " Very Well. We have heard you. Hon. Oundo."
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The last two weeks have been of telling the truth, and nothing else but the truth. To be honest, we are also experiencing the same challenges in our constituencies concerning WEF. The response the Hon. Chairlady has given is underwhelming and completely off the mark. It is oblivious of the challenges that we are facing. This is one of the absurdities we have in the current dispensation where Hon. Chairpersons are given written statements and they are obliged to come and read them here. Honestly, as much as we want to"
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
"speaker": null,
"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo",
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"content": "interrogate the Hon. Chairlady on the veracity of the Statement, we are basically flogging a dead horse. From what she has pointed out, I suggest that they invite the Hon. Member who asked the question to the Committee where the Principal Secretary can appear so that there can be intense interrogation. Honestly speaking, if I were the one, I would not have read the Statement. If I were to be cajoled to read it, I would have clearly told them I do not even believe in the Statement. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Omboko Milemba",
"speaker_title": "The Temporary Speaker",
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"content": " Very Well. Lastly, Daktari Nyikal, let us hear from you on this."
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"speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Sometimes, I feel very bad because the things that were working are no longer working. I did not get the question, but I have got the drift. Let me tell you what happened. Let the truth be told. When the WEF was started, I was there at that critical moment. It was run in two ways. In the first one, it was to be given to groups that were formed by the then Ministry of Gender and Social Services and registered by the Ministry of Culture and Social Services. It was for that purpose that we created a society that registered those women so that they can get the funds. The other part of the fund was to be given to middle institutions like banks who would then give it to individual women who wanted large amounts of money. With time, it turned out that the interest on the money that was given to banks and co-operative organisations to be given to women was supposed to be 8 per cent. The banks were giving women their own money and keeping that money because they did not want them to benefit from the 8 per cent interest rate. That slowed down almost to a stop. The one for the women groups flourished. The problem came when there was a decision that the system should be digitised. When they digitised, the process was hurried. It was supposed to be through a presidential order. They digitised so quickly and women groups were formed digitally. Applications and disbursement were digital. They disbursed a lot of money very quickly – almost a billion shillings. When it came to repayment, it was realised that repayment rate dropped from 86 per cent when they were doing things manually to 26 per cent. They went out to find out what had happened. They found out that the groups were merely digital; they did not exist. That is why nobody was paying. Apparently, that money was lost. When the proper statement is brought, we would want to know how much money was lost. In their response, they decided to stop the issuance of the Women Enterprise Fund, because the digital system was not working and they were losing money. They stopped and women had since then not been getting money. We were told that the banks subsequently restarted issuing money, but the information I am getting from Members is that the process has not started. It was a hurried process that caused problems. So, they stopped. I do not know whether they have corrected it so that the women can get money. The Fund was very popular with women. You would get Ksh100,000 the first time and Ksh200,000 the second time, if you paid back the first loan. By the time the banks stopped lending, there were women in my constituency who were getting Ksh700,000 and doing a good job. It is the hurried digitisation that caused the problem. Let us face it. Thank you."
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"content": " Very well Daktari. You have made your point quite clearly."
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