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"content": " It is the truth. That is what is also killing the Social Health Authority (SHA). We are not telling the truth."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": " Order, Daktari. You have made your point. I can see that the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party still has an interest in this matter. What is it?"
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, I do not want to use the word that I should use, but it is not correct for us to discuss a statement which has been disowned by the presenter. We are discussing a statement which the presenter has said they do not believe in. We are debating an erroneous statement."
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"content": " Order."
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"content": " The honourable thing is that the statement be withdrawn and then we can debate."
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"content": " We have heard you and, courtesy of your earlier assertion, I allowed a few Members to weigh in on the matter. I want to hear the Chair before we can proceed with any ruling. Before we hear the Chair, Hon. Millie, what is it?"
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, from a procedural perspective, what has just happened is a bit interesting. I was with you in the House Business Committee earlier on. You remember that I was willing to move Hon. Kaluma’s amendments that I disagree with to my Bill, but the Speaker said we cannot do that. In the same light, if a Chair does not believe in what a Ministry has brought, why would he or she bring it here? The Speaker may need to give guidance on how to proceed when we do not agree with what a Ministry brings to the House. Our role is oversight. We are not just a conduit. If a Chair does not agree with a statement, it should not be brought here. The other thing is to ask us, as a country, to introspect. I do not know whether we are bewitched or what is wrong with us. We work very hard to destroy everything that is working. The WEF was working well. We are working hard to destroy it. The National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) is one of the best funds in this country, especially in marginalised and rural communities. The first time I saw a nice school in my rural home was courtesy of NG-CDF. Younger people do not realise that because they do not see what the difference was. Why are we destroying the things that people come from other countries to emulate? We are busy destroying what is working and coming up with other things that are not working. Can we rethink such issues?"
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"content": " Very well. Let us hear the Chairlady."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I noticed the shortcoming, but I want to tell the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party that I do not want to withdraw the statement because my work as the Chairlady is to transmit the response from the Ministry to the Member. This is not a committee report that we interrogated so that, once I present it here, I cannot disown it. When I read this Statement, I said I am going to invite the Principal Secretary and the Member to the Committee so that we can discuss this issue. It is not fair – and it is not in order – for the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party to tell me to withdraw the statement because I am the Chair. I am not the one who wrote this Statement. It came from the Ministry. If it is not correct, I cannot stand here to say it is correct because it came from the Ministry. I also do not agree with it. I only read what was transmitted to me. I am only transmitting it as chairpersons do. This is not a document that came from our Committee."
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