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"content": "It is through harambees that we can save people and dead bodies from mortuaries because they are held in custody until money is paid. I will say that the corrupt are not the poor people. Corruption comes from the highest echelons; the top people who are stealing money; the people who have the money. About 90 per cent of Kenyans cannot even access money. They survive on harambees and goodwill for their friends and the next of kin."
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"content": "So, if anybody wants to stop corruption by stopping harambees, I think that is very wrong. What I will say is that those who steal; pay give more in harambees, so that The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "this money come back to the public. If you say that there are no harambees, then those who stole, the corrupt will keep the money in the banks or even overseas."
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"content": "I think we should encourage more harambees, so that at least they pay back and help the people that they have stolen from. What we are talking about here is kind of pretense. Some of my colleagues here are saying that, “Oh, harambee will do this. Harambee causes corruption. Corruption is not coming from the grassroots; it comes from the top-down. It is starting from top institutions."
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"content": "I think harambees should not be controlled. If you want somebody to stop corruption, let this House bring a Bill that will seriously deal with the corrupt people like in China. Even if you will kill somebody or jail somebody for 100 years so that somebody can face the consequences of their stealing."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, stopping harambees just because somebody has stolen and wants to claim his money, will not stop corruption. With those few remarks, I oppose the Bill."
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"content": " Thank you, Sen. Abass."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I believe the intent of the Bill, originally, was not bad. We had issues in June. Out of the conversation we had about the State of the Nation debate, this Bill is a result of what happened at the time. I want to report to you that some of us went to school because of harambees."
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"content": "If you get somebody who is 45 years and above who is in this House, and even outside there, there used to be two types of schools. There were schools done by the Government and there were some harambee secondary schools."
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