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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
"speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development",
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"content": " The hon. Senator for Kirinyaga County, Sen. James Murango is requesting for information on how many people are landless, or people commonly known as squatters. I will start with that question. The classification of people as landless, commonly known as squatters is inaccurate because landless is different from squatters. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I took time to seek this so that I can have better clarity. According to the Oxford Learners Dictionary, the word ‘landless’ is an adjective that means ‘not owning land’. Therefore, in our context, a landless person is one who does not own land. In this country, those are the majority. For a person who does not own land, Land Act No. 6 of 2012 defines a squatter as a person who occupies land that legally belongs to another person or entity without that person’s consent and these two terms cannot be used interchangeably. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
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"content": "One is a squatter on a piece of land that has an owner. Sometimes, you are a squatter on private land or on public land. The landless may in future own land. We do not have any date on such kind of people because they are the majority because they do not have land. However, tomorrow, they may have land. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the concern of the government is the squatters who become a problem to private and public properties. The Ministry has no database of persons classified as landless or squatters in the country. The settlement of deserving cases is undertaken when the need arises. The settlement programmes are, however, subject to the availability of public land because we sometimes, settle them on public land and the availability of funds. We sometimes have to buy land for settlement. The Ministry has so far since Independence, settled 301,872 families in 463 settlement schemes. Sen. (Dr.) Murango may not have asked this information, but he should indulge me so that I give the Senate this information through his question. The total is 1.288,244 hectares of the land the Government has given out for settlement. This means that a total of 3.183,320.25 acres of land across the country. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a big achievement by the Government and this has occurred in 26 counties within the country. In the last three years, the Ministry has settled 16,376 families in approximately 21,000 hectares of land across 10 counties. Currently, the Ministry has no settlement programmes in Kirinyaga Central because one question was in relation to the Kirinyaga Central Constituency. However, colonial settlement villages are a phenomenal inherited at Independence. In Kirinyaga County, there are 46 colonial villages with an estimated 5,231 households. In my report, I have given the names of these villages. Some initial work has taken place in terms of planning, but we have not completed it. The date indicated in Table 1 was captured by the Ministry and forwarded to the County Government of Kirinyaga for co-ordination of activities together with the Ministry. This is because, we need friendly collaboration with county governments. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Ministry intends with the availability of funds to collaborate with the County Government of Kirinyaga and the NLC in order to plan out surveying work and the identification of beneficiaries. Although, we have the primary data of the people in those 46 villages, we still need to survey, identify and place beacons. This is work in progress and it will require funds. I, therefore, assure the Senator that this is what I have in my records and the NLC will be our partners. I thank you."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Kingi",
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"content": " Hon. Senator, you may ask your two supplementary questions."
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"legal_name": "Murango James Kamau",
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"content": "Asante, Bw. Spika. Ninamshukuru Bi. Waziri pia kwa kujibu yale maswali nimeuliza, lakini niko na maswali mengine mawili. Kirinyaga upande wa Mwea, watu wameishi huko bila hati miliki kwa miaka na mikaka. Nyanyangu nilimzika akiwa na miaka 115 na bado hakuwa na hati miliki kwa sababu ya sheria gandamizi ya kunyunyizia mashamba maji. Swali langu la kwanza, ni juhudi zipi ziko kuhakikisha kwamba wakaazi wa sehemu za Mwera Irrigation Scheme na South Ngariama wamepata hati miliki na ni lini? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"legal_name": "Murango James Kamau",
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"content": "Swali langu la pili, katika takwimu Bi. Waziri ameleta siku ya leo, kuna vijiji 5,260 vya ukoloni. Waswahili husema, “mgala muue na haki yake umpe.” Toka zile vijiji za ukoloni mpaka wa leo, wale watu hawana hati miliki ila Bi. Waziri amesema ashapeana takwimu kwa Serikali la Gatuzi la Kirinyaga waanzishe mpango rasmi wa kupeana hati miliki. Mimi mwenyewe niko na kijiji niliachiwa na babu yangu na hakina hati miliki. Huenda nikafa kama sina hati miliki kwa miaka hiyo yote. Ningetaka kuja, hizi hati miliki zitapeanwa lini."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Kingi",
"speaker_title": "The Speaker",
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"content": " Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
"speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development",
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"content": " Mr. Speaker, Sir, I may have to repeat myself. I did not say that we are giving Kirinyaga County the surveying work alone because they have a survey office. All counties are part of our settlement programmes as stakeholders, but I said if I can put funds together. It is not only the colonial villages, but my department is under instructions to start planning. I came into this Ministry last year and we proposed funding for this pending work but we did not get the funding. I have other villages in Nyeri, Laikipia and Nyandarua counties as well as other places outside the Mount Kenya region. I am also saying that Parliament should be responsive as well in supporting some of these programmes. The National Assembly has poorly funded the Ministry of Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development notwithstanding that we collect stamp duty of about Kshs15 billion. I, therefore, would request Sen. (Dr.) Murango to be my partner in this regard because this is work I can finish with the necessary funding and within two years. However, basic planning is there and people know their sections and what is remaining is the finalizing the surveying. The only thing is to fine-tune the planning, surveying, recording and then do the titling. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have taken it personally and not just for Kirinyaga County, but the entire country. I am even mindful that we should not be talking about colonial villages in this era and we need to clear them. I commit myself to ensuring that this is in the next budget among other colonial villages. We need to settle people so that they can use their land more productively. Kirinyaga County has other challenges in South Ngariama which is a huge scheme, but we have finished our work there. There have been several cases that have been a barrier, but they are now agreed upon and we should be done with this scheme without more challenges. The small issue remaining is in regard to how many public utilities we have been able to carve out. The county is asking for increased public utilities, but that may not be possible considering that people are already occupied and living in that area. However, we are in conversation with them and we will be finishing with this scheme soon. Mwea has the same challenges as well with a lot of conflicts and fights. Mwea has also had cases. I think if we put our attention, we can finish this and this is work, which I have instructed for completion. So, possibly I cannot tell you whether it will take a year The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
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"content": "or two, because, again, I need funding. Let us work with Parliament to ensure that some of these old schemes are completed. I think the Ministry has also failed. What happens - allow me to say this. Our people are very litigious when it comes to land. I can tell you I have cases that are as old as 40 years. Whenever we finish adjudication also, or settlement issues, other people, brokers and thieves who want to steal land, bring cases and they somehow find their way into courts and they come up with orders. So, they become a major hindrance to the completion of the work. Then, of course, officers move to another place and then other cases come along because after you have not finished, other people start eyeing the same. It is quite complex; it is not a straightforward job which you can go and do it. However, we need, as a country, to refocus on this, including adjudication, so that we provide sufficient funding for the State Department for Lands and Physical Planning. I do not know whether I have answered. However, I desire to be your partner and then we see how we can finish this."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. Sen. Beth Syengo?"
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to ask a supplementary question to the hon. Cabinet Secretary. My question is if she could clarify what happens in a situation where two or three people or more lay claim on the same parcel of land. Rightfully, they present even title deeds for the same parcel of land. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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