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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
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"content": "Let me come to the issues of Kilifi South asked by hon. Sen. Madzayo of Kilifi County. I identify with the challenges you are raising. Before you stepped in, I had said that we have professional squatters. However, I know we have genuine squatters. We also have people who get on to a land, become squatters even when they were not squatters. I had said that those squatters are owned by people and moved from one place to another. The squatters cannot have a right without any reason. As a Ministry, we would have to interrogate that. In your county, we have two schemes; Msabaha and Takaungu. Those are schemes that are purely meant to give land to squatters. The programme that comes very handy to address the squatter problem is the land settlement program, where we buy land for squatters. That programme requires funding as well. You asked me what we are doing as a Ministry. Whenever we have money, we buy land. However, we also need to be specific and strict about squatter problem in the entire coastal region. You said that there are squatters who are being evicted and there are court orders. For someone to get a court order, he has been able to persuade the court that he is the owners of the land. These are very complex issues. Some of the people who sell the land are the squatters. I want us to be very specific and deal with one issue after another so that whenever we have funding, we can address specific squatter problem. We should also be very selective and careful because we cannot afford to buy land for everyone, but genuine squatters. We also have a challenge with settlement schemes in Mombasa. The minute you settle people and give documentation, they look for buyers of the land the following day. They then move to another area to be squatters for the same purpose. As leaders, let us give awareness on the same. We had a provision in the law that you cannot transfer land given by way of settlement. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, some very clever people have also gone to court and got an order that once we give land through settlement as a Ministry, we cannot restrict the right to use or transfer because it is a constitutional right. We are now forced to allow someone who may want to transfer their land after we have given them. We may delay, but we do not have a right to stop you. Let us also send right messages to these people. By doing so, we can reduce the numbers. That is the best I can do. I do not know whether there is any other part of your question. Sen. Omogeni was talking about the acquisition, while your question was generally about compensation. I want to exhaust Sen. Madzayo’s question. If he is satisfied, I can move on to the second part of Sen. Omogeni’s question."
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"content": " Sen. Madzayo, you have a point of order?"
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"content": " Asante, Bw. Spika. Ningependelea kuona Land Control Board ya Kilifi imechunguzwa. Imejitumbukiza kwenye hali ya ufisadi. Karatasi zinatolewa mashinani na ndio sababu hawa maskota wanafurushwa. Pia polisi wanatumiwa vibaya kufurusha watu kutoka maeneo yao. Uchunguzi ufanywe katika Land Control Board ya Kilifi kama ulivyopendekeza uchunguzi ufanywe Land Control Board ya Ngong. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
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"content": " Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Senator could come to my office. We discuss so that I understand the challenge of the Kilifi Land Control Board. We can see how long it has been in place and if you have specific persons, so that we do not punish the entire board for the sins of one individual. We can have a discussion one-on-one in my office next week. My number is basically public, but my office can also give you my number."
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"content": " Sen. Madzayo, we have to proceed to the next question. We have spent too much time on this. Accept the invitation from the Cabinet Secretary to discuss the issues in Kilifi County so that you can allow the House to proceed to the next question. Thank you. Hon. Senators, we will proceed to the next question."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
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"content": " Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on acquisition, we had exhausted and the Speaker gave us a ruling regarding compulsory acquisition because I had already said I do not want to open the issue. I had already said it is a mandate of NLC. However, the Speaker made a ruling that we need some particular information. I will be responding to the Senate on this in detail with the necessary information."
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"content": " Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Cabinet Secretary---"
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"content": " I will move to the next question."
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"content": " We will take the following question by Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, Question No.82."
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"content": "Question No."
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