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"content": "you and I are aware that there is a commission, whose report is in your Ministry. That is the Ogongo Commission which was instituted some 10 years ago. The commission gave solutions to all the problems that you have highlighted in your report, which were supposed to give guidance on how to solve the problem between Meru and Tharaka Nithi counties. However, that report has never seen the light of day nor implemented. I do not know for what reason. That report can be a strong guide to you as a Minister and your officials, on how to address those problems you have just highlighted in your report. I have also captured in your report (d), where you have stated you have stalled adjudication schemes due to border dispute between Meru and Tharaka Nithi counties. This is the adjudication section, which is Turima, Karocho, and Mukothima. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, this commission fully addresses the way forward on those three adjudication sections. So, I do not know whether you would be privy to that report, so that you can give it to this House. Why the Ogongo Commission has never been made public and implemented, close to 15 years down the line. Secondly, Hon. Cabinet Secretary, I have captured you say that my people chased your people. You are aware that this is a House of record and evidence. Would it be prudent for you to provide evidence where my people, when you say my people, you are saying people from Tharaka-Nithi County, chased your lands adjudication officers? Did they make any report to any police? Do you have any report to that effect? Do you have any Occurrence Book (OB) number? When you say my people chased your people, that borders on criminality. So, do you have any report that can be tabled before this House that people from Tharaka-Nithi County, Tharaka in particular, chased the land adjudication officers from your Ministry? Secondly, I would like to know when the Ogongo Commission Report will be made public because it gives solutions to all these problems that the Hon. Cabinet Secretary has highlighted this before this House."
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"content": " Sen. Mo Fire, the Question has been heard. Sen. Cherarkey, do you have a supplementary question?"
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. My question is a follow-up on Supplementary. I have heard the Cabinet Secretary talking about squatters. We also have similar problem in Nandi County. What is the status of the titling of Kimondi Forest squatters? Mwein Kechire in Chesumei, Ogiek at Kebeni Nandi Hills, Talai in Kapsisiywa after removal from detention, Laibon of 1934, Tinderet around Kimwani, Chepsangor, Chemas and Koibem Exchange Programme in Chepkumia. Could the Cabinet Secretary provide the status of titling of the areas that I have mentioned? I thank you."
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"content": " Cabinet Secretary, please proceed."
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"content": " Let me start with hon. Sen. Cherarkey’s question. The definition of a supplementary should be a question arising from the same question. Although it is a squatter issue, it is a different region and place. I would like to The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "request the hon. Senator to allow this response to be provided later because he has mentioned about five programmes. I can have this filed to the Senate for him to read. If it is not sufficient, he can contact me, or if there is action needed, we can look into it. I have my Director of Settlement here with me and he will start to work on it immediately. The hon. Senator from Tharaka Nithi has referred to a certain report. Yes, the report was filed and was completed."
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"content": "(Sen. Gataya Mo Fire spoke off record)"
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"content": "Sorry? Did I call you Tharaka Nithi?"
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"content": " Sen. Cherarkey, the Cabinet Secretary’s phone number is public information."
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