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"content": "I am guided, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. We are very proud as a county because we know we host all the Senators wherever they come from. Complaints have been raised about the state of the roads in all of our areas in Kilimani, Hurlingham, Eastleigh, Pipeline and other areas of Nairobi. Every time you bring this question up, the governors are always going to hide behind the dispute of the RMLF. Yesterday we had the opportunity to sit with the Chairperson of the Committee on Roads and Transportation of the CoG, the Hon. Governor for Wajir, Ahmed Abdullahi. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "During the mediation, Members of the National Assembly gave us, as a Senate, an assignment to take a message to the CoG. That if it were possible for them to sit down, have a discussion and try to mediate that issue out of the courts, it would be helpful to the common mwananchi . I want to report to the Members of this House and the Members of the National Assembly need to know, that we did take that message to the Chairperson of the Committee on Roads and Transportation of the CoG. Nonetheless, he was very skeptical. I have to say this, because he has said that this is not the first time this question of the RMLF was taken to courts. The last time there was a conversation to withdraw the matter or to solve it amicably, it did not go very well. Consequently, at least to the Members of the National Assembly who sent us and who gave me that assignment to deliver the message, as a messenger, I have done my part. I have also given you the feedback that we received from the CoG. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, allow me to also say that in the course of those proceedings, we in the Senate raised very serious objections about the separation of powers between the three Arms of Government. We want to continue to urge Members of Parliament (MPs) especially, to remember that the law-making process and the budget- making process is a constitutional responsibility of Parliament. We must never appear to cede that responsibility to any other Arm of Government and especially not to the Executive. You will know that whenever we are handling a matter in this House, even the Judiciary itself has taken a position of waiting for the process in this House to conclude before they can intervene. When a matter is before the Judiciary, we in Parliament as well do not touch it because of the sub judice rule in our own Standing Orders. Therefore, it was quite disheartening to hear pronouncements being made in the course of the mediation by Members of the Executive about this mediation and the figures that were viable or not viable. I want Members of Parliament to remember that we swore an oath to defend the Constitution. It is the Constitution that gives us, as Parliament, power to make legislation and the budget of this country. We should not essentially be one with the Executive. In fact, sometimes I feel terrible for the leadership of the Executive because they are supposed to get ideas from Parliament and to be guided as well. Otherwise, if we are a House that only waits for the President to say we go left and we go left, we go right and we go right and if today he says this House is bad, we all clap and if he says we are now good boys we all stand up and clap--- It is not supposed to be like that. We are doing a disservice to the Head of State and I want to encourage him. I think now the Head of State ---"
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"content": " I cannot see any intervention on a point of order. Proceed, Sen. Sifuna."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the point that I was making was that the Head of State now, in this institution of Parliament, should note the voices to listen to. I think he should spend more time with Sen. Onyonka. He might be able to guide him The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "better than some of the voices he is listening to in the House since, they are not telling him the truth. Let me conclude by saying that the mediated amount might not be pleasant to the CoG. It might not be what this House wanted. I remember when we were dispatched to this mediation, we were given very clear instructions that we must not accept anything less than the Kshs400 billion that we had passed. We had many objections ourselves, including myself, during debate of this particular Bill. Nonetheless, I want to say that the purpose of mediation is not to get your way. It is to have a conversation with people who hold a different view and to come to some form of middle ground. I want the House to view this as the Senate saving Kshs7 billion for devolution and not losing Kshs13 billion from the Kshs400 billion that we had been told by the National Assembly. What we want to say as a Committee, is that we had an opportunity for a robust conversation with our colleagues from the National Assembly. I have also had opportunity to meet some of them in the Committee. For instance, the Hon. DK. They call him DK. I had never interacted with him. I have come to realize that he is not a bad man. He is a good man and we have learnt a lot from each other. However, one of the things we also continue to insist on ---"
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"content": " Who is Hon. DK for record purposes?"
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"content": "Hon. DK is Hon, David Kiplagat, MP for Soi. Let me reiterate something that we said yesterday as well. We must stick to the constitutional principles even when it comes to matters of public finance in this country. We want transparency. Some of the things that were delaying even the process were, that we, in the Senate, were insisting on some transparency. For instance, we were asking if the Finance Bill of 2024 was supposed to raise an additional Kshs380 billion. We need to be shown the programmes for which this money had been planned so that we see if we have lost the entire Kshs380 billion, and which programmes were there for devolution that we can remove. There was also this claim that the national Government was reducing its budget or its allocation by Kshs320 billion. We need to be shown those figures, so that we are clear and nobody is playing their cards under the table. If everything is put on the table, it is very easy for us to agree. Therefore, with those many remarks, I want to thank the House again for giving me the opportunity to be a Member of the Mediation Committee and hope that in the future we will be able to grow the path of devolution year on year out. I second."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, before I open the Floor to the Members to contribute, I would like to acknowledge the visiting delegation from the County Assembly of Kisumu. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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