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"content": "County Government"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Munyi Mundigi",
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"content": "na n ational Government wanafaa waungane pamoja ili tuweze kupanda miti ili dams tutakazotengeneza zisikauke, na tuendelee kupata mvua na mazao yetu yaongezeke na tutengeneze economy yetu. Tukiendela hivyo, nchi ya Kenya, kwa upande wa kilimo, afya na barabara tutaweza kuinuka. Ningependa kukosoa watu wanaopinga Ripoti hii na kuwafahamisha kuwa, si kumaanisha kuwa sijui mambo ya Kingereza ama Kiswahili. Nafahamu vizuri Ripoti hii inaongea kuhusu mambo ya kaunti na hakuna mahali President ameingilia kwa hela zinazotengewa county government . Nilimaanisha kuwa Seneta wetu alikuwa na msemo na kipindi cha Member of Parliaments (MPs) ndio waweze kupitisha. President hajakataa kupitisha hela tunazopitisha. Sisi tumepatiwa kazi na mwananchi tuweze kutetea"
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"content": "devolution."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Munyi Mundigi",
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"content": "Ikitoka Upper House iende kwa National Assembly ambayo imekuwa na shida nyingi sana na magavana kwa sababu wanapata pesa nyingi kuliko zile zinazotengewa kaunti zetu . Constituency moja inapata Shilingi 150 milioni kwa MP mmoja. Isitoshe, wamejiongezea pesa za barabara. Wamejipitia Shilingi 60 milioni. Hao MPs wamejipatia Shilingi 30 milioni za kutengeneza stima.Kwa hivyo, shida ya hizi pesa za devolution si makosa ya President, ila ni makosa ya MP. Kwa hivo, ningependa kukosoa wanaopinga huu Mjadala. Tunafaa kukaa chini kwa sababu Bibilia inasema watu wawili hawawezi kutembea bila kuelewana. Tunafaa tuelewane na National Assembly ili tuweze k upatia watu wa mashinani fedha za kutosha juu ya economy ya counties. Mwisho, tumeona kuwa fedha hizi hazitoshi kwa sababu ya pending bills and pending wages zilizoachwa na wale magavana waliokuwako. Ningeomba countygovernors, fedha ambazo mnakusanya mashinani muongezee ili muweze kupata pesa zitakazosaidia kuongezea pesa hizi ambazo tumewapatia.Kwa mfano, nafurahia sana na Gavana wa County ya Embu. Embu County ilikuwa imepangiwa kukusanya Shilingi 900 milioni lakini yule gavana wa zamani alikuwa anakusanya Shilingi 350 milioni. Bw. Spika wa Muda, yule gavana yuko saa hii amefikisha Shilingi 750 milioni na ndio maana namuunga mkono. Hizo pesa ndizo magavana wanafuja. Gavana wa Kaunti ya Embu amefanya kazi nzuri lakini hajafikisha zile pesa zinafaa kutoka, angalau Shilingi bilioni moja ili kuongezea zile pesa zitatoka huku Seneti. Ninaomba ajifunze na zile kaunti zile zingine. Tumesikia kaunti nyingi zimetafuta njia za kukusanya ushuru kule mashinani. Ninashukuru pia Kaunti ya Embu na wale wafanyikazi wanaokusanya zile pesa na pia wafunge zile laini zilituharibia ndio tuone kama tutafika pahali panafaa. Bw. Spika wa Muda, kaunti zimekuwa na shida za hapa na pale kwanza upande wa hospitali. Ningeomba Serikali iweze kuangalia haya mambo. Kule Treasury pia kuna shida na ningeomba Waziri wa Fedha akubaliane na kaunti. Serikali ya Kenya Kwanza ilipoingia mamlakani, Rais wetu alisema kila mwezi mpaka kaunti zipate pesa na juzi tumesikia kwa miezi mitatu, kaunti hazijapata pesa. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Munyi Mundigi",
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"content": "Ninaomba Waziri wa Fedha na wale wanaofanya huko wapatie kaunti zetu pesa kila mwezi ili devolution ifike mashinani ili tuweze kuona vile Serikali ya Kenya Kwanza inasema pesa mkononi. Mimi kama Seneta wa Kaunti ya Embu, ninaunga mkono na mimi ni daktari Alexander Munyi Mundigi."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Abdul Haji",
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"content": " Sen. Samson Cherarkey."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to make a few comments on the reports of the mediated version by the Senate and the National Assembly. I will say from the onset that I am disappointed by the outcome of the process. It looks like we succumbed to the whims and wishes of the National Assembly on this discussion. While these counties continue to struggle with the challenges of corruption, under-development and poor performance, it is not justifiable to deny them resources. When we proposed Kshs400 billion, I thought we had sent the best. I remember the Senator for Nairobi City and his colleagues in the last session when you and I voted to pass Kshs380 billion in the last financial year went bashing us in funerals, baby and bridal showers; saying that the Senate was undermining devolution. I did not expect to preside when counties had not received adequate resources. The reason we proposed Kshs400 billion was not from nowhere. It was enough for counties. The fact that we are reducing the amount to Kshs387 billion is unfortunate. Many people would want to see an additional of Kshs3 billion or Kshs7 billion because in the last session, it was Kshs385 billion. I feel disappointed that the only way we can remove the heat on the development of this country from the national Government is to resource counties to ably do their functions as per the Constitution. This amount of Kshs387.4 billion is not sufficient to counties. I appeal on the issue of the Equalisation Fund because we are yet to release it as per Article 204. The money is yet to be released. There has been push and pull here. Even on the issue of concurrent functions like disasters, I expected the national Government to fully shoulder the responsibility of CHPs because it is not expensive even though health is devolved. I expected the national Government to shoulder the issue of industrial parks with Kshs250 million by counties and Kshs250 million by the national Government because these are concurrent functions. The biggest danger to devolution is the clawback of its functions. The second one is the unbundling of functions that should follow costs. There are many functions still retained by the national Government and yet, they should be unbundled to the counties because functions follow money. For example, the function of health is fully devolved, but the only role the national Government comes in is in policy. In the last Session, we fought very hard on the issue of the Medical Equipment Supplies (MES). It became one of the biggest rip off to counties up to date. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the issue of the Road Maintenance Levy Fund (RMLF), I still insist that this money belongs to county governments, which is Kshs11 billion. I would like to ask MPs of the National Assembly why they are greedy. They are getting close to Kshs40 billion through the National Government-Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF), which the Supreme Court ruled was unconstitutional. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "I will borrow the words the nominee of the African Union Chairman (AUC), the party leader of Sen. Richard Onyonka when he read his statement and said that the role of parliament, both the National Assembly and the Senate, should be and must be oversight. It is time we totally scrapped NG-CDF. There is no need. How can you oversight money that you are spending? Why not take all that money and give it to counties and then all of us do oversight? Let them oversight national agencies and we oversight counties. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, even on this RMLF, they want to add the Kshs11 billion to themselves over the Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KeRRA) and the Kenya Urban Roads Authority (KURA) is unconstitutional. I am happy that people in court are arguing that KeRRA and KURA are unconstitutional. Today, as we speak, MPs have held KeRRA hostage to do their bidding. Therefore, the NG-CDF issue, where every constituency receives over Kshs100 million and the misnomer I hear on the streets is that NG-CDF does more or we have seen NG-CDF and yet, it was started in 2003. It is time we consolidated all the funds, do the Division of Revenue to the national Government and counties and oversight both. I also agree with the principle of the AUC candidate Raila Odinga when he says that, let MPs do oversight of the funds that they appropriate in the budget making process. I will do pro bono legal advice on the Floor of the House to all Kenyans, that the President and the national Executive are not involved in the budget making process. The budget making process is the exclusive domain of the National Assembly and the Senate. It was decided in Petition No.3 of 2013 by the Supreme Court. So, we should correct this misnomer that the Executive or the President do not participate in any way in the budget making process. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, counties continue with the issue of pending bills. Most of our businessmen in Garissa, Nandi, and Kisii have died while following up their pending payments with counties. As at June, 2024, counties owed pending bills of Kshs158 billion, including in Garissa. Your businessmen and women are suffering because they cannot be paid by counties. I saw the Governor for Kakamega telling us that the biggest danger to devolution is the Controller of Budget (CoB). It is not. What governors are doing is voiding payments. They take money to pay for Haji, but pay Aaron and the CoB must be on lookout to ensure proper approvals of the money. We will not allow governors to run away with corruption. I saw the Chairperson for the Committee on Finance and Budget, and I became worried. I did not know what he was talking about. The biggest problems in the functionalities of counties are governors because they void payments and steal the money. After the resolution of this House on pending bills, we said that money should be paid across the counties, the Kshs158 billion as of June, 2024. No one has paid. The other day, there was a misnomer by governors and I was embarrassed. They were saying that they have not received money. When the Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning released his report, they had received up to October, Kshs158 billion. They are yet to release November, but they are lying to Kenyans led by the Chair of the CoG, the Governor for Wajir County, Ahmed Abdullahi and yet, Wajir is dysfunctional. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "As we talk today, the Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) accounts show that the Wajir County Government has Kshs2.6 billion lying in their account. Kisii County has Kshs6.7 billion lying in CBK. Nandi County has Kshs2 billion lying in CBK yet the Chairperson of the Council of Governors (CoG) is telling the country there is no money yet money for Wajir County worth Kshs2.6 billion is lying in the CBK accounts. The people of Wajir County do not have drugs and cannot access roads. Even in Nandi County, we have Kshs2 billion in the CBK accounts yet the governor is busy lamenting, perambulating, and talking at funerals, giving out handouts, and buying jembe sticks and machetes. It is as if we are giving them money to prepare for war. I feel embarrassed, and I want to tell the Inspector General of Police, Douglas Kanja, that some of us in Nandi no longer believe in security agencies' functionality. Someone was arrested when we went to occupy the Nandi County Assembly because of the Ad Hoc Report, which stated that Governor Sang could not account for more than Kshs10 billion worth of projects. A senior official within Nandi County Executive was arrested with machetes and jembes. The only thing that the police did in Nandi was to give him lovey-davies. As we talk today, one young man by the name of Digitaro was attacked in Nandi Hills Town. The person who attacked him is a governor's goon who is yet to be arrested. The Directorate of Criminal Investigations Officer (DCIO) and Inspector General Douglas Kanja are doing nothing about it. Goonism in Nandi is the order of the day. Anybody I saw, even at Dr. Ondare's father’s funeral, that goons have taken over funeral services in Kisii County. It is unfortunate, and I saw Sen. Onyonka and Hon. Doñya. We are not appropriating monies to counties to run goons. I am embarrassed and disappointed by the Nandi County Security Team. You can even check in the media; there were goons, allegedly sponsored by the governor, carrying jembe sticks and machetes on camera. The Nandi County Security Team, led by the county commander, has never arrested anybody. What are you telling us? Why are we appropriating this money if goons are walking around? You cannot ask questions. The moment in Nandi you try and question--- I saw a young girl called Vero being threatened. Another young man called Basil was also threatened. I have told you of a young man called Digitaro. He was attacked in broad daylight in Nandi Hills Town, 50 metres from Nandi Hills Police Station. No one has been arrested, even though the person who did that is known. You saw yesterday in Turkana County that despite the county receiving over Kshs100 billion--- When it rained in Turkana yesterday, Turkana County Referral Hospital was flooded because of poor workmanship yet the Governor of Turkana, from the reliable intelligence I have, whenever he goes to funerals, dishes out Kshs1,000 to the people of Turkana. It was reported in the news that in Turkana, a Form Four graduate was dispensing medicine. What are you telling us? What are the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) doing? What is the DCI doing? If a Form Four graduate somewhere in Turkana is dispensing medicine, and we are sitting here as a Senate as if The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "nothing is happening, then there is a big problem with this country. The system is broken. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the way governors, including your governor, where Garissa Town is only a few metres from the river, and there is no water in Garissa town. The Governor is receiving money and smiling all the way to the bank. They should come back and account for it before the Floor of the House. When you ask governors to appear before committees, they do not come. I issued summonses to the Governor of Kisii, Hon. Simba Arati. I have issued summonses against the Governor of Tharaka Nithi, Muthomi Njuki. We have issued summonses to the Machakos Governor and even the Governor of Isiolo County because they do not want to come to account. However, they are busy taking money from us, and they cannot come back to our account. I remember the Ad Hoc report of the County Assembly of Nandi on the Kshs10 billion projects like Kapsabet mother and newborn units. There is no mortuary in Kapsabet Town. Mzungu built the one that was there. Our people are suffering. You go to Nandi Hills Hospital, and there are no drugs. Across Kabuchai Sub- county Hospital, which is less than 50 metres from the governor's house - God forbid, if he gets sick, he cannot access medical care in Kabuchai Sub-county Hospital, which is a stalled project. Also, Kapsengere is stalled. All the projects for which money has been allocated have stalled. When the Members of the County Assembly of Nandi tried to pass the Ad Hoc report, the MCAs were heavily intimidated and blackmailed. I want to thank the MCAs, almost 19 of whom were led by the Chair of the Ad Hoc Committee, the Kapsabet Ward MCA, for standing firm and fighting for justice. I can see my time is far spent. However, corruption in counties must be fought. I want to challenge the nominee of EACC, Mr. Abdi, to walk the talk. We are tired of EACC frying only omena instead of frying mbuta . As we talk today, there was a payroll fraud in Nandi County. The EACC and DCI came to Nandi and took away computers, and up to today, no one has been arrested. Even our Public Service Commission report came out in Nandi and showed that a number of people hired by the governor were earning a salary without working. No one has been arrested up to today. One of them was this campaign soloist. Another was a media presenter. Some of them were close relatives. What is this telling us? The system is broken. It is as simple as that. You saw what happened in Kisii; the same thing happened with the employee fiasco. No one has been held accountable in the employment saga, even in Isiolo County. We challenge the new EACC CEO. We are tired of appropriating funds, yet one is held accountable. Up to date, on the issue of payroll fiasco in Nandi, none has been arrested. The EACC come with abracadabra, comes with vehicles, and take computers and copies. One or two months later, no one has been arrested."
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