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"content": "(Sen. Onyonka spoke off record)"
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"content": "Yes, and ‘they see each other behind the tent’. Today, Sen. Onyonka is one of my biggest cheer squad here on the Floor of the House, and I am proud of it. Unfortunately, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "we give money to EACC and DCI from taxpayers to fight corruption, but there is nothing to smile about. As a reggae song says, when you look outside the window, do you see anything to smile about? Our counties are becoming bastions of inefficiency, moribundity and corruption. Finally, on the issue of own source revenue, Nairobi City County, according to the Commission on Revenue Allocation report, has the potential to collect Kshs67 billion, but it is collecting Kshs12 billion. Where is 50 billion? Nandi County has a revenue potential of Kshs700 million, but it is collecting Kshs200 million. I see governors celebrating, but they are not telling the country whether their own source revenue is giving value. Governors will talk about equitable shareable revenue being appropriated, but they will never tell you about their own source revenue. Why are boda boda riders in Chepterit, Aldai and Chemase paying for boda boda stickers? In Mosoriot, Kaptumo, Kabuchai, Chepterwai, Nandi Hills, and Kapsabet Town, the mama mboga have a dysfunctional town market where there are no sanitary facilities, including toilets. Those women sit from morning to evening, but there are no toilets to use, and they are paying money to counties. It is raining in Nandi now and the roads are impassible. Boda boda riders have been forced to construct sheds of grass to protect themselves from the sun or the rain yet governors will not tell you about their own source revenue. If you ask the CoG Chairperson, they will never tell you about their own source revenue. They will tell you about money in the National Treasury. They will never tell you what they are doing to achieve the CRA revenue potential. We must agree that own source revenue should provide value for our people going forward. As a Senate, we must have a conversation. I oppose this Report. Thank you."
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"content": "(Sen. Abdul Haji) Thank you. Sen. Veronica Nduati."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the indulgence to share my views. First, allow me to congratulate the mediation team that sat to consider the request and proposal for the revision of the Division of Revenue Act 2024, which was initially assented to on 10th June, 2024. Due to factors that led to the withdrawal of the Finance Bill, 2024, it necessitated an amendment that was then introduced. The two Houses were not in agreement on the figures, and that called for the kicking in of the Articles that enabled mediation to take place between the two Houses. Let me first say that the trend that was set by this Mediation Committee was to the effect that both Houses can come to a consensus. That helps us to move important matters, which have national consequences to a conclusion that then becomes a win-win situation for the citizens of Kenya. I was one of the members of the mediation team. One of the issues that the Senate felt very strongly about was that reducing the county allocation to Kshs380 billion would then have meant that was less than what had been given to the counties in the Financial Year 2023/2024. That then fostered a very robust conversation and a dialogue almost close to a conflict between the two Houses. The Senate was of the view that we could not allow a reduction of that revenue below what was allocated last financial year. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "It was due to a very good process which was respected by both Houses that Members were able to agree that at least the funds that will support devolution should be improved to Kshs387 billion. We are not saying this is the best figure that could have been allocated to the counties. Our vision was to ensure that counties could have up to Kshs400 billion, but it was not possible because of the withdrawal of the Finance Bill, 2024, which resulted in a shortfall in the projected revenue. As a result, there was a shortfall of Kshs346 billion. As such, counties were pushed to take in a reduction of Kshs20 billion, which we felt was too high because of the nature of services that are rendered by the county governments. If counties were allocated Kshs400 billion or allocated Kshs380 billion or Kshs390 billion or Kshs360 billion and yet we have so much wasted in the same counties, even the Kshs380 or the Kshs400 will still not become useful to the Kenyans and the citizens of this nation. I believe this mediated version of the Bill should now not face any opposition in both Houses. It is time we face one another as citizens and leaders, and agree that it is time to curb wastage, to reduce on cost of how we do business and how we conduct business. It is time we change the culture of our Government offices, Government officials, county offices, county officials and public service. If we were to reduce corruption even by 40 per cent, it would unlock so much potential in this nation. We would be finding world-class hospitals in all our counties. So, my first take is that even with the resources that have been allocated to the counties, we need to see much more service rendered to wananchi; not just service, but very quality service. Sometimes when you visit the counties or listen to reports that come to CPIC or CPAC, you wonder whether those counties are within the Republic of Kenya. This House is known for supporting devolution and encouraging that more resources must be devolved to go to wananchi . However, what has been happening is wanton abuse and misuse of public resources, and that has to stop. There is also the question of own source revenue. Why are counties not concentrating on collecting revenue and improving services that people are happy to pay for? If you listen to many Kenyans, any service provider who gives quality services is always assured of clientele. The challenge we are having right now--- Unless we curb the wastage, even if Kshs500 billion is allocated to the counties, it will still not be useful to"
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, as I support this Report, I urge the likes of Sen. Cherarke,y because this is a mediated version and no factors were considered--- All our Members should support this Report, so that we unlock resources to go to the counties because we cannot go for Christmas or go on recess or holiday before we pass this mediated Bill, so that resources are disbursed to the counties."
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"content": " Sen. Esther Okenyuri, you may proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I also wish to support this Report. When I look at the composition of The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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