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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
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"content": "the Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital; we do not hear of a medical doctor committing suicide at the Kenyatta National Hospital. Even if they do, it is not reported. These are challenges that we must address as a nation. We need to urge the county governments that failure is never too bad and that admitting failure is not a sign of weakness. Strong people admit that they do not have adequate capacity. Hon. Temporary Speaker, with those few remarks, I support the Bill. Time permitting, I will propose a few amendments and I hope the Committee will listen to us to make a better Bill for posterity. Thank you,"
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Peter Kaluma",
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"content": " Hon. Innocent Mugabe. He requested to speak on another matter. Hon. Caroli Omondi, do you want to speak to this Bill? Hon. Irene Mayaka will be the last one."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support this Bill. My main reason is that I am a big fan of structured and seamless things. There have been a lot of situations between national and county governments that have gone on and on because of the transfer of functions. As the Mover of the Bill has clearly stated, it is proper when money follows functions. One of the reasons I support this Bill is because it gives us clear guidelines on the transfer of functions between national and county governments. It also shows us that service delivery will not be disrupted. Because of bureaucracies involved in the transfer of funds a gap is created. This Bill is going to fill that gap. The other reason is that the costing framework will now be uniform, not only between national and county governments, but it will also be seamless and uniform across counties. We have had situations where different counties come up with their own mechanism of financial management. This Bill provides a specific framework. The other thing, from my experience as a member of the County Assembly, is that county assemblies grapple with temporary loans from banks when there are delays at the national government level. There is no specific structure between the county executive and the county assembly. This Bill will enable county assemblies to not grapple with financing their functions by borrowing additional funds from different financial institutions. That is taken care of. The other thing that I like about this Bill is that it provides a specific timeline of 15 days from the start to the finish of the process, which is very important. When we do not provide a specified timeline, it could be taken advantage of. Anyone who wants to disrupt the process or be mischievous can take advantage of it when there is no specified timeline. I also take note of the public participation that the Committee conducted. I note that Isiolo, Mombasa, Kericho, and Taita Taveta counties supported this Bill. Residents of Mombasa County said they like the Bill because when money is available to counties, it is available to them because they have access to it. I also note support from the Westminster Consulting and Kenya Private Sector Alliance (KEPSA). In particular, they took note of the uniform and well-defined agreement being proposed in this Bill. Hon. Temporary Speaker, with those few remarks, I support the Bill. I thank you."
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"content": " Chairman, Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning."
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"content": "(Molo, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Public Finance Management (Amendment) Bill, sponsored by the Leader of the Majority Party in the House, was referred to our Committee. As Hon. Irene Mayaka has said, we conducted public participation in six counties: Isiolo, Siaya, Bungoma, Kericho and Mombasa counties. It was interesting how members of the public reacted, especially after we explained it to them. We are noticing something very interesting in the Kenyan population - a great interest in how this House makes laws, and a better understanding of how those laws affect them. This was also a good moment for us to do civic education to Kenyans. People now appreciate what we are"
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"content": "doing and for what reason. One of the amendments we recommend is the need for public participation in the transfer of functions. I confirm to my good friend, Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, that that is one of the recommendations the Committee made in the Report we tabled yesterday. The Committee recommends an amendment so that public participation becomes part and parcel of the transfer of functions. When counties feel that they need to transfer functions, it should not be a show of laziness where you want someone else to do your job. We also took time to explain to Kenyans. One of the challenges we had to deal with was the trust deficit in expenditure between Kenyans and the Executive. I dare say that part of the trust deficit is due to lack of understanding of the different functions performed by the national and county governments. There is also the excuse of the transfer of the equitable share of revenue to counties. In one of the counties, Kenyans lamented that there was no medicine in hospitals or that a project had not been done. And they were saying they have been told the national Government haijatuma pesa . We had to call the Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury to tell us the amounts sent to counties. We had to seek the Governor of the Central Bank to find out the balances held in the accounts of the county. In the account of the county, there was more than Ksh500 million. It is a fact that the disbursement of money to counties for July, August, September, October and, I hope by now, November has been done. Therefore, there should not be an excuse why counties should not deliver services to Kenyans. My appeal to this honourable House is to support this Bill and the amendments the Committee will propose, which were developed after conducting very elaborate and extensive public participation across the country. With that, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to support."
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"content": " Hon. Julius Melly."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This Bill is very timely and important. It will ensure that accounting officers at the two levels of Government are accountable to the people. The Bill explicitly explains the relationship between a transferring entity at the national or county Government and the responsibilities conferred to the receiving entity. As the Budget and Appropriations Committee Chairman said, we have had cases where county government officers often complain that they cannot provide a service because it is not their function. That the service is not catered for in their level of Government. This Bill seeks to emphasise what the transferred entity is supposed to do, the cash flow from the national Government or the county government to the receiving entity and, more importantly, the sources of revenue. It puts the officers and the institutions that are receiving the responsibility, for example, in agriculture and health sector… Several people at times do not have drugs and requisite facilities, yet the national Government has already transferred those services to the county governments. On that same note, this requirement, Leader of the Majority Party, is that the two entities transferring services are supposed to transfer and sign off that they have received that function and start providing the services from that particular time going forward. The Bill clearly specifies that functions that have been transferred from the national or county Government, or vice versa, shall be audited immediately, and those documents shall be provided to the Office of the Auditor-General. The document should be tabled in the Senate and the National Assembly because these are the Houses representing the people of Kenya. Leader of the Majority Party, there is no better time we need this document than now. Across the country, dissatisfaction is common among citizens. We do not have citizens of the county or national Government; we have citizens of the Republic of Kenya. This is the time that we need to put our foot down to ensure accountability across all government functions. Lastly is the issue of assets and liabilities. At the start of devolution, many government assets and liabilities got lost, especially in what we used to call the county councils. Regarding"
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