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            "speaker_name": "Tinderet, UDA",
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            "content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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            "content": "the assets owned by county councils and the national Government within the counties, there was no clear structure on how they were handed over and who took them over. The records, at some point, vanished. This Bill is trying to secure the assets of the Republic, both at the county and national levels. It is entrenching the Constitution by recognising that we have 48 governments — the national Government and 47 county governments. I support this very timely Bill. Thank you."
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            "content": " There being no more interest, the Mover may reply. Hon. Robert Mbui, I am very sorry. The Mover, how long are you going to speak? You could donate half of your time to Hon. Mbui."
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            "content": " I will reply in one minute."
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            "content": " Two minutes would be limited. Could you leave at least five? Hon. Mbui wanted to talk."
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            "content": "Whether you agree or oppose, I take your contribution to the House very seriously. That is why I was seeking indulgence for you. You can do it in five minutes."
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            "content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity. I will be very brief. I also rise to support because, from 2010, when our new Constitution was promulgated, one of the most important things that came up was the devolution of powers and functions. Schedule Four is very clear about the functions that are at the national level and the ones that are devolved to the counties. Over the years, we have seen a lot of meddling, sometimes by the national Government on things being done by the counties. In the last two Parliaments, we had issues in the health sector, for example, where the national Government would even procure equipment for the county governments without any plan or agreement whatsoever regarding the clinics that were bought and the medical equipment. It has been a very difficult time. This Bill will help us because it will help put order in how each level of Government does its things."
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            "content": "Article 187 of the Constitution identified that once we promulgate the Constitution, there will be times when we will need one level of Government to take over some roles and support the other. This happens when one level of Government is more effective or can effectively carry out whatever procedure. Sometimes, it is also when the resources are available, and sometimes, it is when the timelines are not well thought out. This Bill is a game changer because it is going to allow us to be able to get rid of the situation that we saw in Nairobi, where somebody rushed and signed something and then later on, in the full glare of the media, said that they did not know what they were signing. This ensures that every time a situation where the two levels of Government come together and want to agree on who can do what for the other, there will be an agreement that everybody will participate in and be able to see. This is a game-changer, and I strongly support it. Thank you."
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