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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to reply. Picking up from what Hon. Melly was saying, it is indeed true that there were issues with the transfer of assets and liabilities even at the time of the local government authorities. This Bill indeed addresses the concerns that Hon. Melly has mentioned. Clause 186E deals with the management of assets and liabilities between the two levels of Government, including the list of assets and liabilities that would accompany a transfer agreement. A transfer agreement between the two levels of Government shall, in addition to the requirements under Section 26 of the Intergovernmental Relations Act, include a provision"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "for the acquisition, disposal and transfer of assets and liabilities. It even goes further to say that the process of transfer of assets and liabilities upon the expiry of the transfer period shall be in accordance with the transfer agreement. This, therefore, caters for the concerns that Hon. Melly has raised. I also agree with the Hon. Robert Mbui. It is true that the impeached Governor of Nairobi once told us that he signed a document and did not know what he was signing. It is important to have this kind of law. I do not know whether it had something to do with the lack of law at that time or it is something that happens with those who get impeached. I also heard another one who was impeached saying he did not know anything to do with Adani, but then he went to a church and said he had told the President that Adani was not good. But when he was in office, he told us that he did not know anything about Adani and could not comment on Adani because it was beyond his purview. It is probably some sickness with impeached people or something you get infected with upon impeachment. This law is a very important piece of legislation because it will ensure that any transfer of functions between the two levels of Government is superintended very well. Resources follow functions, and when the function is going back to the level of Government that may have been designated to the other level of Government if there are any assets and liabilities that went with it, then there is a process provided for within the transfer agreement. With that, I beg to reply."
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"content": " The question to this particular Bill will be put in future for the convenience of the House."
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"content": "(Putting of the Question deferred)"
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"content": "Next Order."
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"content": "THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) (NO. 4) BILL (National Assembly Bill No. 45 of 2024)"
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"content": " Hon. Robert Mbui, approach the Speaker first. Mover, proceed."
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