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"speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah",
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"content": "Besides the money and service to God and humanity that the President engaged in, he promised the people of Soweto that that road would be rehabilitated. The money for rehabilitating that road by KURA will come from the Fuel Levy. I do not need to belabour this point but I want to take this opportunity to request the Council of Governors to adopt the give and take attitude that the two Houses of Parliament have adopted in this mediation process. Let them give in on the Fuel Levy and we will support them in everything else they want to do. However, please, let them stop pitting themselves in a fight against Members of Parliament. These Members of Parliament have no business to do with roads. I have due respect to the former Prime Minister. I know he had his views on this matter, having engaged him on it. Members of Parliament are the first point of call by their constituents when roads are dilapidated in their constituencies. Governors are never seen anywhere. There is a case in one of the counties where a Member of Parliament neighbours a governor. The governor has seven Administration Police officers guarding his residence but the Member of Parliament has none. Everybody flocks to the Member of Parliament's office on issues of healthcare, food, funerals, hospital bills, and roads. Nobody ever goes near the governor's residence. I do not want to say that they have elevated themselves to small gods or anything. However, they need to open up and be accessible to their people. These Members of Parliament are elected the same way governors are elected. Therefore, they cannot bear an unequal share of the burden of the people's problems than governors. Members of Parliament supervising work done by the"
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"content": "Constituency"
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"content": "Roads Committees (CRC) because they are not committees. They do not participate in the implementation of projects. What they do is offer meaningful oversight to ensure that, at least, the national Government roads at the constituency level are being rehabilitated and are in good condition. Should we sacrifice all the money to go to governors? Ask Kenyans next year if they would have seen the work the Ksh387 billion would have done. Also, ask Kenyans whether they would have seen the billions that have gone through NG-CDF. They will only tell you about the NG-CDF money and what it has done but not money from this sharable revenue. I beg to support and second this Motion for agreement on the mediated version of the Division of Revenue Bill. Hopefully, upon passage of this Bill, the Senate will be able to start with the County Allocation of Revenue Bill and we will be able to pass it before we proceed on recess. With those remarks, I beg to second."
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"content": "(Question proposed)"
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"content": "Member for Funyula."
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"content": "Oundo (Funyula, ODM): Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity to contribute to the mediated version of the Division of Revenue (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly) Bill No.38 of 2024. I must go on record that I was together with the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee as a Member of the Mediation Committee. I learned much about the mentality of Senators in respect of this matter. I also had an opportunity to engage some of the governors and learned much about how they view things in this country. First of all, we need to go on record and reiterate to the country and all the Members here that all of us are in full support of devolution. All of us are 100 per cent in support of devolution. Secondly, devolution was supposed to change the lives and welfare of the people at the grassroots."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "Thirdly, devolution was not supposed to be a core centre of the National Treasury entirely. Devolved units were not supposed to remain dependent wholly on the National Treasury. They were supposed to generate their own revenue to complement or supplement whatever they got from the National Treasury. Members of Parliament are not in any way part of the Executive that implements any projects at all. We have now given the counties Ksh387 billion from the Ksh380 billion that had been passed with the amendment Bill after the Gen Z demonstrations. The county governments up to this moment have not demonstrated that they are also sharing the burden of reduced revenue. The counties have not demonstrated the austerity measures they have put in place to ensure that they live in the reality of modern times. County governments have not even made any effort to make sure that the equitable share they receive actually supports them to improve own source revenue. We were given documents, reports, and data by the Parliamentary Budget Office that indeed own source revenue has been increasing over time but probably at a lower percentage than expected. This is, therefore, a call upon the county governments in all cadres that they must improve on the existing systems for purposes of improving on-source revenue. We could plug the deficit that so-called that they are talking about. There is a lot of potential. How do we explain that the Nairobi City County still depends on the National Treasury yet own source of revenue for Nairobi City County is boundless, is massive? Can we curb corruption? I listened to the President's State of the Nation address emphasise on fight against corruption. We never intended to devolve corruption. When we devolved systems, we expected county governments to work. I must testify here that since today morning I have received five calls from my constituents looking for money to pay medical bills. Some for delivery in maternity, some for basic malaria, some for fractures, and some for basic ailments. So, I keep on asking them where the user charges money the county government collects and the devolved funds on health go to. Indeed, it is frustrating. Time has come for us to call county governments to order. We never give them money…"
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"content": "While you are calling them to order, it is always useful to have the name of the hospital in the Hansard ."
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"content": "Oundo (Funyula, ODM): Hon. Deputy Speaker, earlier today, I had to send money to pay a bill at Busia County Referral Hospital. As I speak, there is a patient who is stranded at a village called Busijo with a fracture. When he went to the county government hospital, he was asked to raise Ksh150,000 so that he could be operated on. They are saying SHA or Taifa Care does not apply in respect to implants. They expect me as a Member of Parliament, with my meagre income, to pay for that kind of expenditure yet we appropriate funds to county governments to literally solve medical care problems. Members who sit on the government side should, honestly speaking, call these governors. You are in good books with them. Plead with them that we Members of Parliament are suffering. We are suffering! As we speak, many schools in the country have no ECD classrooms. The classrooms we built through NG-CDF is what I have to partition for Grade 1 and pre-unit. This is the case and yet, every year billions of shillings are allocated to counties. This year Ksh387 billion is going to counties. I want to echo the sentiments of the Leader of the Majority Party. By this time next year, the impact of the Ksh387 billion will be hardly noticeable in the entire country while the impact of the Ksh30 billion allocated to NG-CDF will be seen and felt all over. We must start asking ourselves, did we make a mistake on devolution? No, we did not make a mistake. We need to have a mentality change. Otherwise, 90 per cent of Kenyans would call for scrapping of county government so that the money can be channelled through NG-CDF with better checks and balances, because the Fund is accountable."
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