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"content": "The Office of the Auditor-General is where the weakest link is. We need to be thorough in the audit of the books of accounts prepared by county governments. We call upon the Controller of Budget. It is not good enough to go lamenting in public yet her office approves illegal and unlawful expenditures that do not support the local mwananchi on the ground. We want to make it very clear that RMLF and NG-CDF are not money for a Member of Parliament. The RMLF finances road construction. The funds are many a times allocated to KeRRA and county governments, but county governments deliberately neglect to fix roads. Mwananchi will come and tell you, “ Mimi sijui kama mimi ni mtu wa devolved function amamimi ni wa Kenya.” All they know is that they are Kenyans and they deserve services regardless of where the money is coming from. As we support, we want to call on county governments to exercise prudent management of resources. Otherwise, those who doubt will continuously doubt the efficacy and usefulness of county governments. With those remarks, I support."
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"content": "Thank you. The Member for Baringo, Hon. Jematiah. Sorry. Apologies, Member for Baringo. Let me allow Hon. Osoro to contribute. I know he needs to go and do his other real job."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity to support the Report by the Mediation Committee as moved by its Chairman. As we support this Report, there is something that we need to ponder as a House. It is also important for us to guide members of the public that this is a procedure. There has been a misconception out there that Members of Parliament are fighting county governments or devolution by not allocating funds to the counties. That is misleading and it is a misconception. People should know that this is a process. Article 113 of the Constitution directs and guides us that where the bicameral Parliament has divergent views in terms of allocation of funds, then a mediation committee is formed. People who have been moving around, slandering and telling lies to the public that Members of Parliament are fighting devolution, are misleading the public. We live in very interesting times. For county governments to seek Ksh400 billion is not a bad idea. After all, we passed this Constitution so that the devolved units get a good amount of money. Resources need to be taken back to villages, to mwananchi and to the counties. That is not a bad thing. But we also need to live in the reality of time. We need to be practical with what is happening in the country. We all live in this country and know the status of our economy. We know very well that because of what happened in June when we passed the Finance Bill clearly means that we cannot meet our revenue target. And it could not be practically possible to allocate counties all the funds they wanted. This Committee has really overstretched itself to even raise the allocation by 24 per cent to Ksh387 billion. We need to ponder and ask ourselves this very pertinent question: Where does this money go to? It is going to the counties. It is not the first time funds are going to the counties. Every county has received funds since 2013, but where does this money go to? The President was here and he talked about corruption. If there is a place where we need to fight corruption, it is in the county governments. It is a place with high-level corruption that is massaged. We have created demigods in the name of excellencies. It is a very bad thing. If you move from county to county, you will hear very unique problems. Where is this obsession of governors fighting for the Fuel Levy coming from? They have enough money. Some counties receive up to Ksh13 billion. We are talking about Ksh387 billion of the shared revenue, but you are fighting for RMLF, which is less than Ksh10 billion. What kind of gluttonous mind-set is this? This is pure greed. You are all over and going to court, saying Members of Parliament get Ksh100 million. Really? The Leader of the Majority Party spoke very well and stated facts. Governors have 12 bodyguards guarding their homes. They also have people, in the name of kanjo, carrying rungus"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "and guarding them, so raia can hardly reach them. All problems are taken to Members of Parliament, who only have one bodyguard. And by the fact of our operations and duties, we are ever with the people. Governors walk with too many people that raia can hardly reach them to explain their problems. There are no medicines in hospitals. They are now sabotaging every health system. They cannot build classrooms. I even heard my governor bragging that the Kisii Teaching and Referral Hospital (KTRH) makes Ksh247 million in a quarter. You are bragging of making Ksh247 million in a quarter in a hospital that does not have drugs, doctors and enough personnel and where people are dying. Why are people attracting curses? Why would one person need 20 vehicles following him to a burial function that does not belong to him or his relative? One vehicle carries a chair, another one carries a carpet, another one carries goons, another one carries a girlfriend, another one carries water and another one carries a toilet. Toilet! Is there a special toilet? Hon. Deputy Speaker, this is very painful. Kenyans are suffering, under devolution. Its intention was to help and devolve functions back to the villages. However, professionals are being killed today. Doctors who went to school for several years cannot even get promotions. They are frustrated. When they raise issues through their society groups and unions, they are threatened, fired and transferred. I know a dentist who could not agree with the governor over their affairs because he sits in a union. He was transferred to a dispensary where he cannot practice. He cannot do his dental work because he questioned the governor on the operations of the county. It is very painful and sad. Some are building their offices which cost a lot of money. Some have even abandoned their offices. They work from stadia. Others have converted their homes to be small state houses, where they hold meetings until at night. It is a sad situation. As we seek to approve the nominee for the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) position of Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC), we call upon them to start arresting some of these governors. It is time to start arresting some of these thieves who call themselves excellencies. In fact, this term does not belong to them. They are excellent thieves. There is no other better term we can call those governors. We are allocating Ksh397 billion to counties, but you need a microscope to see what it does. You need a microscope to see a classroom and to identify an ECD class. It is a sad situation. I speak with a lot of pain because people are suffering in the villages. They use this money to pay goons. They draw this money and some from their own source revenue to pay goons to attend functions and clap for them. What kind of silly attitude is this? It is just too bad. However, I beg to support the Motion. I hope they will be arrested someday. Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker."
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"content": "(Several Members spoke off the record)"
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"content": " On a point of information, Hon. Deputy Speaker."
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"content": "Member for Narok West, what is your point of information?"
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