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"content": "What is your point of order, Hon. Kiplagat? It better be a genuine one."
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"content": " Yes, it is a genuine one. This is a House of records and the Hon. Member who is contributing is a senior lawyer. I wish he could have seen the report that what we are giving to counties is around 24 per cent, which is above the stipulated 15 per cent. Therefore, alleging that a three-year delay in the audited accounts results in giving them less is out of order."
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"content": "So, it is a point of information. You may proceed. You are properly informed."
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"speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
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"content": " It is simple mathematics. Your 24 percent includes 15 percent, but the 15 percent from three years ago is not the same as the 15 percent today. It’s as simple as that. This misinformation will ultimately be passed on to the county government. The 15 percent from three years ago, when revenues were around Ksh2 trillion, is not the same as the 15 percent today, when revenues are Ksh2.9 trillion. So, even if it is 24 percent, you still have not given them their fair share. That is what I was trying to say. The Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee talked about having realistic revenue targets. Let us be frank. If you wanted to have realistic revenue targets in our budget-making process, you would have a crisis. The debt obligations and the other statutory obligations, more or less match the revenue. In other words, you will not have any number"
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"speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Caroli Omondi",
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "showing that we have a development component of our budget. So, you have to stretch the revenues to factor in perceived development, whether it is illusion or not. But it has to be there. That is the reality. If you want to remove the stretched revenue targets, you will have a budget that the revenues purely match standard obligations ― debt service and other recurrent expenditure of the Government. I do not think that is politically tolerable. That is why we must have aspirational revenue targets so that we can accommodate development. This is the reality we face as a country, and the only way to address it is by tackling corruption and conducting proper audits of our debt schemes to distinguish between real and fake debts. There is a lot of work that needs to be done. If you reduce our revenue projections, you will have a budget that matches debt and statutory obligations. But, I do not think that will be politically tenable. The other point I want to raise is that, it is time this House did two things. One, we start making our budget, both at national and county levels and capture them at constituency level so, that in every budget, we show what has been allocated to every constituency for roads, water or health. Then, a spreadsheet which is a high-level summary, is attached to that budget. Therefore, every Member can raise a piece of paper and show what the budget for that year is doing in their constituency. I will propose an amendment to our laws so that future budgets have a summary by constituency and not county. Our country is run on the basis of the 290 constituencies. The budget will clearly demonstrate what has been allocated in all the sectors, including donor funded projects in the country. It is time Parliament commissioned a study on the true impact of devolution. What has it done in terms of resource utilisation and impact on the people? This is because we are walking blind and lack knowledge. Some countries have received Ksh150 billion over the last ten years. Where has it gone? As a House, we need to commission an independent study that will open our eyes so that we can analyse the changes we need to make on devolution especially, the health sector like the lady from Baringo has said. Why should doctors be unemployed in a country that does not meet the threshold of doctor to patient ratio? In Kenya, doctors are unemployed and people are not getting medical services. Finally, we should also interrogate the Equalisation Fund. It is a 20-year fund but we have a problem. Not all those who are eligible for equalisation support are receiving it, even within intra-counties. We need to look at this because the time remaining is quite short. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. With those many remarks, I support."
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"content": "Thank you. Member for Buuri."
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"speaker_name": "Buuri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. From the outset, I join my colleagues in supporting this Report. Just like my colleagues have said, it is high time we understood the difference between the national Government and county governments. Why do I say so? On a daily basis, I see the Senate which is supposed to oversee activities of the counties having absconded that responsibility in totality. They are now trying to oversee the national Government. Almost every day, they summon Cabinet Secretaries and Principal Secretaries to answer questions that they are not supposed to answer. Sometimes, this causes a lot of confusion. I am the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works. We get conditional grants that are appropriated by the National Assembly but spent by the counties. When it comes to oversight, the National Assembly cannot oversight counties, and yet conditional grants are misused by county governments. At the moment, no governor is being bashed left, right and centre on SHA and SHIF. Hon. Deputy Speaker, health services are devolved and the money allocated for it has already been channeled. However, when you go to the dispensaries, there are no drugs. Some"
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"speaker_name": "Buuri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri",
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"content": "The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Buuri, UDA",
"speaker_title": "Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri",
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"content": "dispensaries and health centres are not even operating. Level II to Level IV hospitals are supposed to be managed by counties. Where does this money go to because we hear the county governments asking for more money? Before the Senators try to oversee the National Government, they need to tell us how the money that has been appropriated to the counties by this National Assembly have been spent. The same story goes to the agricultural sector. It is only the President and the national Government who seem to be answering the questions on food security yet the governors have been allocated a lot of money meant for agriculture. Let everybody take responsibility of the money allocated to them. What the national Government is trying to do in relation to health, agriculture and services like water, education and basic education is a complementary responsibility. I want to thank His Excellency, the President for not taking a back seat in terms of health services, education and agriculture. They all need to work together. The biggest budget for the counties is on recurrent expenditures and on employment, and this is ballooning on a yearly basis. When a new governor comes in, they come with their own demands. We really need to challenge our governors and counties. There is a lot of talk that we are generating a lot of revenue at the counties. Honestly, I can only…"
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