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"content": "I believe that this country has immense potential. It can achieve great things that many people would admire to live, work and thrive in. However, corruption, among other things, holds it back. However, I believe the rest are subsets. The biggest challenge we continue to face as a nation is corruption. When EACC wrote to our Justice, Legal Affairs, and Human Rights Committee and made their proposals, I am glad that you listened to them as a committee. I am even happier that at the mediation stage, many of the views that they felt did not agree with the amendments that we had done on the Floor of this House were either dropped or moderated to get the view of what EACC wants and also how our colleagues from the National Assembly perceived that particular matter. Therefore, before us, we have a report that deals with all the controversial 88 clauses, things which we have touched on here and there. The thinking at that particular time of the Senate is that we felt that there was a lot of repetition of the Ethics and Anti- Corruption Act, leadership, and integrity. There were so many Acts that were trying to do the same thing. Therefore, many of the deletions that the Senate did at that particular time were actually aimed at streamlining so that we give EACC a cleaner document upon which they can refer and ensure that they save us as a country. Therefore, I am happy that today we are discussing the mediated version. I know our colleagues in the National Assembly have concluded this exercise. It is only we who are remaining so that once we conclude this particular exercise, hopefully, as soon as we pass it, it can be assented into law. I hope that by Tuesday next week, Members will be available in the House so that we can pass this particular report and proceed to do other things. On Tuesday this week, I had breakfast with an 83-year-old lady. She is of Swedish descent but has lived in Kenya for the last 44 years. She is actually more Kenyan than I am because I have not seen that number of years in this country. She knows more about my country. She told me a sad story, and I left the breakfast table particularly disturbed. This lady works in affordable housing and has been here working on United Nations (UN) programmes and so on. She reminded me that when the international bodies began this conversation on the need for decent homes for the poor, especially in urban areas, back in the early 80s, a fund was created. Many African nations, after struggling with how to set it up, collected quite a substantial amount, and they did projects in various African countries. However, that programme did not take off after some point. Therefore, it was resolved at the final meeting – I forgot the exact name of that particular fund – that the member countries carry on the programme through their budgetary support and proceed. It was passed also that the assets that had been reviewed or received from that particular programme should be passed on to the members of the public. She told me that there are only two African countries which did not transfer those assets to their Government. They ended up in the pockets of the programme officers. Burundi was at war at that time. So that we can classify it as a war-torn country at that particular time, and your guess is as good as mine: Kenya. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "That is a story of many Government interventions and programmes that, up to date, this country continues to suffer, be it the county government, national Government, private entities, or even workers on our farms. The fellow you employ to take care of your chicken back in Murang’a, you know they do not appreciate that if the chicken are laying 45 trays of eggs per week and they reduce it to 40, that is a form of corruption. In Kenya, it is considered being street smart. Yet, as Sen. Okiya Omtatah said, and I agree with him, perhaps we should first ban the word corruption. That is where the problem begins. It should be called what it is. It should be referred to as theft. The EACC should be something like the Ethics and Anti- Theft Commission. This thing called corruption is already a problem because many people think it is a sanitised word. Being accused of corruption is not as bad as being accused of theft, and many people do not distinguish between the two. Therefore, maybe we should have that conversation. However, the problem is deeper than the name. It is not just about what it is referred to. It is about our values and what it is that we can train in our society, beginning with the young children, so that they are, perhaps, a better society than we are. Since the generation ahead of me, my generation is immediately behind, and those that are coming after, if we do not take care of it, then we will not have a country to write home about. All these countries that we read about that existed in the world have been destroyed on this account. In fact, the biggest threat that any society or nation faces, I dare say, is not from terrorists or internal implosion based on lack of opportunities and resources but corruption. Madam Temporary Speaker, it is my hope that upon consideration of each of these 88 Clauses as amended, we shall make significant strides towards achieving this fight that every Kenyan wishes that we did not have. Unfortunately, many that we know, starting with the leadership to the ordinary citizens---"
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"content": "(Sen. Joe Nyutu walked across the Chamber)"
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Veronica Maina",
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"content": " Sen. Methu, do you understand the courtesies that are supposed to be played in the House? Can you do the necessary?"
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"content": " Madam Temporary Speaker, I know you do not have your spectacles on but this is Sen. Joe Nyutu and not Sen. Methu."
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"content": " Pardon me. I need to use my spectacles in the House. Please do the courtesies."
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"content": "(Sen. Joe Nyutu walked to the Bar and bowed to the Chair)"
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"content": " You had already started making your way to where you normally sit, then casually crossed to the opposite side."
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"content": " May I proceed?"
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"content": " Yes. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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