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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will try to speak within three minutes. I agree with what Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale was informing the House. The Rural and Urban Private Hospital Association (RUPHA) has eventually come to terms with the reality of the day. When the Cabinet Secretary was here last week, what came out unequivocally from the conversation she had with the House is that the hospitals were complaining about historical debts that they have with the National Hospital Insurance Fund (NHIF) and not the Social Health Authority (SHA). The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Finally, after they were assured that after the verification process is done, they would be paid their money, they have resumed services. I visited my own county referral hospital two weeks ago and the medical superintendent informed me that every month they used to write off bills of between Kshs7 million to Kshs10 million from ordinary citizens of the county who, after being treated would tell the doctors to see what to do with them. However, because of this programme, that debt has reduced to about Kshs1 million. This confirms that as we continue to deepen this programme into the minds and hearts of ordinary Kenyans, our public hospitals will have the resources to run and by default, ordinary citizens who could not afford medical insurance will become a thing of the past. On the matter that has been raised by the Auditor-General, I would wish that either the Standing Committee on Health or the entire sitting of the House unravels some of these questions. This is a country that is governed by the rule of law. It will be important for citizens to know whether what is being alleged is actually true or false. I have read that particular report that Sen. Sifuna is referring to. There are certain questions that I want to ask the Auditor-General on how she arrived on some of these findings. For example, on paragraph 559(2) of her report, she faults the procurement method that was used and says was a breach of the law yet, Section 114 of Public Procurement and Disposal Act provides for specially procured goods and services in this country. This is not the first time the government is using this mode of procuring goods and services. It will be important for her to tell us at what point she declared this breach, and why she feels that certain sections of the law cannot be applied. To the best of my recollection, this section of the law has not been injuncted by any court. It is part of the law that is still active and being used in court. It will also be important to know from the Ministry why Section 559(1) of her report was not captured in the 2022/2023 Budget Review Framework. I do not know what explanation they have, but I suspect that 2022/2023, being a transition year from one administration to another, we could not have implemented the priorities of another administration. I believe that, subsequently, there must have been a budget process through which all this was addressed. So that we do not appear as if we are a House that sanitizes illegality, I want---"
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"content": " Sorry, Clerk, to be fair, let both Leaders enjoy their five minutes."
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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in fact, I just need an extra minute. I was concluding. To be fair to the country, it is important that the report is tabled and subjected to thorough scrutiny by the committees of this House. The country should not rely on newspaper cuttings by some people who may be having other agenda against you. We know for a fact that there are people who used to benefit from the illegalities that were being committed under the NHIF. Do you think The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "they will sit pretty and watch this programme being rolled out? At every turn and opportunity, they will hire people to speak for them and will incite the media against this particular programme. That is why I want that report of the Auditor-General to be tabled before this House. I want the competent committees to go after the four breaches that the Auditor-General has highlighted. The final issue is on the cost of this particular system. It is important for it to be tabled, so that Kenyans can know what the tabulation of Kshs104 billion exactly entails. I have seen very educated people imagining that the Government procured a software for Kshs100 billion. I know for a fact that it cannot be accurate. I want the list of all the items that eventually tabulate to Kshs104 billion, so that we are able to tell which one out of these items has been charged beyond the market price. Eventually, as a House, nobody will say that we sanctioned an illegality when we passed the four laws that set up Universal Health Coverage (UHC) in our country. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Osotsi, proceed."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, a lot has been said about systems. For example, there is a Statement on the issue of migration of Inua Jamii to E-Citizen platform. You have also heard clearly Sen. Sifuna raising a matter on the SHA system. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, one of the biggest problems in this country is that we have laws, which we do not implement. I am talking as an Information Technology (IT) expert and one of the people who worked so hard to bring in place the Computer Misuse and Cybercrime Act. In that law, it is very clear that big systems supporting the Government must be licensed as a critical information infrastructure system. The best practice globally is that such systems should not be operated by private individuals. Such systems must be cost effective. One of the things that we need to look at moving forward, as a House, is to go back to that law and come up with regulations on how systems that support the public sector or the Government are defined in line with the Computer Misuse and Cybercrime Act. That way, we will be able to avoid all these challenges we are talking about such as operational and cost issues. I would like to be given the privilege to guide this House on how that should be done. It has been done in other countries as well. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the second issue is on pending bills. I have sat in this House and almost every day, a Senator brings a matter concerning pending bills in their county. We had passed a Motion in this House that was brought by Sen. Olekina on the issue of the pending bills. Why are we not making progress as a Senate on this matter? Therefore, I ask the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget to deal with this matter with finality. Our people; the contractors, in the counties are suffering. We are discussing and asking governors to appear before us, yet nothing happens. It is like the institutions in our counties are not being managed by us. I request that if the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget is unable to resolve this issue---"
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"content": " Very well. Thank you, Senator."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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