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"content": " Do you need a review? You mentioned him several times. Please confine yourself to the Report here."
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"content": "Okay. I know it is a bit uncomfortable, but you have to bear with things as they are, so that we move quickly. Madam Temporary Speaker, that good gentleman made that particular observation. That, we need to ensure that we reduce Government wastage. In my opinion, it is not the priority of the people of Kenya now to have the best State House in the region. It may look beautiful. It is elegant and excellent. However, does it reflect the lives of the people of Kenya? Is it the same as to the quality of life of the people of Kenya? There is a recommendation that has been made by the committee that I am agreeing with. The automation of the withdrawal of the debt service payment from the Consolidated Fund. The national debt has become an extremely opaque thing. You cannot tell how much has been paid and within what time. For the pending bills in our counties, you will have a view because they are managed through the IFMIS. Therefore, you can tell that this was the date it was accrued and this is what has been done to it. Why not have the same, so that we can follow and understand how our national debt is flowing? We can then know how exactly this money that has been taken as national debt has been used. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I was here before you interrupted and then you can guide on whether I am discussing the conduct of the President. Why would the State spend millions of monies so that the President can go and commission a project? I will give an example. For the three times President William Ruto has been in Nyandarua, he commissioned the Ndunyu Njeru-Geta-Kapteni Road. In one instance, he commissioned at the Kapteni side and the other time, he did it at the Geta side. I hear he will be going there in a week or two to commission it again at the Geta side. Madam Temporary Speaker, how are we spending our money and how do we say that Kenya is broke and we are spending millions of Kenya for just commissioning projects? Why did we not see, even at one time, President Kibaki, one of the most celebrated Presidents of this Republic, on top of cars saying that nimetenga, nimesema nanimefanya ? Can the President just come quietly and commission a project that is complete? Why does he keep launching projects? Once he launches those projects and leaves, those contractors follow him. All the things he has promised in Nyandarua, he is coming to re- promise them again and yet, we are spending national money because he does not come alone. For the President to be in any a county, a lot of money is expended. I know right now, the President has new defenders."
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"content": " Sen. Eddy, you have a point of order?"
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"content": "Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker. I understand where Sen. Methu is coming from, but the Standing Orders of this House are clear. At times you have ruled on that, but I know it makes more substance when a Senator raises it. Standing Order No. 101 states- (1) Neither the personal conduct of the President, nor the conduct of the Speaker or of any judge, nor the judicial conduct of any other person performing judicial functions, nor any conduct of the Head of State or Government or the representative in Kenya of any friendly country or the conduct of the holder of an office whose removal from such office is dependent upon a decision of the Senate shall be referred to adversely, except upon a specific substantive Motion of which at least three days’ notice has been given. Madam Temporary Speaker, the word I was looking for is ‘adversely’. I find the Senator of Nyandarua being adverse because I am interested in what he is saying. I am interested when he says that the head of State has used millions of monies going to launch projects in his area which he has not used to launch projects in my area. I would wish that he brings a substantive Motion to this effect because the MTDS is a very important part of conversation for us to manage debt. This debate about MTDS is not a debate on what the President is doing currently by launching projects. While that is a matter of interest for Sen. Methu, he is being so adverse in it that I am finding it juicy. I feel that he would execute it better when he brings a substantive Motion so that we can all participate."
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"content": " Sen. Eddy, before we get to 6.30 p.m., I will be adding 10 more minutes to help us finalize this Motion and have the reply by Sen. Tabitha. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Sen. Methu is trying to be adverse in his conversation. I do not have a problem with him pinpointing the projects that have been launched here and there. However, this needs a substantive discussion because it is not relevant to the debt management strategy. Most importantly, he mentioned numbers and projects that are being launched, not in my area, but I have an interest in that conversation. Nevertheless, the Standing Orders require a substantive Motion. Therefore, I wish that you would rule him out of order until he brings a substantive Motion to this conversation. I thank you."
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"content": " Let me dispense with this point of order first. Sen. Eddy already made a point of order. I will dispense with it first. Sen. Methu, you have heard the issue raised by Sen. Eddy's point of order. I have guided you and given you direction on it. Do not proceed to that adverse mention of the person of the presidency until you bring a substantive Motion and give three days' notice. So that we do not waste time, I will give you a chance to finish your submissions and then we will proceed. What is your point of order, Sen. Methu? Sorry, Senator Karungo Thang’wa. You look the same lately. You walk too closely. So, you really do look like real brothers."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for the opportunity. It will never cease to amaze me that the Senator of Migori is standing to defend President William Ruto on floor of this House."
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"content": " Sen. Thang’wa, what is your point of order? Under which Standing Order---"
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