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"content": "I know why I am being disrupted, but I will still say what I want to say. We cannot keep saying that we borrow because we do not have enough. The reason we keep borrowing is because we, as a country, assume that we do not have enough."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, now I am on the narrow path of not mentioning anybody. Tell me how a country which borrows money, because we do not have, can have a surplus to give students one million chapatis in a day? If you were to give it a price, for example, of Kshs20 per chapatti, that would make it Kshs20 million a day. In a week, if they were to go to school for five days, that would make it Kshs100 million a week. If they were to be there for a month, that would make it Kshs400 million. If you were to have them for a year, it would be Kshs1.2 billion. I do not know if that is correct. If we have money for such, why are we borrowing? What justification do we have to continue borrowing when we are plundering the same resources? The people of Kenya would want to feel and see what the money is doing. Borrowing is easy. However, the biggest burden is repayment which is placed on the people of Kenya. It is not President William Ruto or we in Government who repay the loans. The burden of repayment of our national debt is specifically on the shoulders of the people of Kenya. We should not spend money anyhow and expect the people of Kenya to continue clapping for us. The State is using millions of Shillings to mock its own citizens. A person in a village in Migori will see SUVs of the state going to launch one small project. I think we are mocking the people of Kenya. This is not what the people of Kenya expected from the leadership and regime that is ruling us now. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I do not want to say more than that. I know what that consultation will lead to or how it will end up. Before I am rudely interrupted, let me stop there. Thank you."
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"content": " Thank you, Sen. Methu. We have no further interventions from the Senators. So, I now request Sen. Tabitha Mutinda to reply. Sen. Methu, you have to stop confusing the whole House with your huge presence. Proceed, Sen. Tabitha."
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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I can see that we are behind time. I hope you will give me extra two minutes."
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"content": " That is granted."
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"content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I do not want to repeat myself. I appreciate all colleagues who have contributed to the MTDS that we embarked on as a committee. I thank my colleagues, starting with my Chairperson then my very good friend, Sen. Eddy, for the high commitment and the rest of my colleagues as well. Madam Temporary Speaker, just to mention a few things. As a country, we sometimes go wrong by politicizing everything. The matter before us is very critical. Medium-Term Debt Management Strategy (MTDS) is a matter that every year as a House we prosecute. It is so sad at times when we do not see the bigger picture. These issues of debt are not personal, but are going to affect our future generations if we, as leaders, do not address them. It is our right to question expenditure. Let us tell each other the truth that one of our key responsibilities is oversight as MPs. The National Assembly oversights the national Government and the Senate oversights the counties. Certainly, when we talk about these debts that are in place, it is our responsibility to get the audit reports, analyze them and give correct recommendations. Mwananchi has vested that mandate in us. The other time the President proposed a committee and due to politics was rejected. I am happy that the Ministry of Finance and National Planning has taken up and is ensuring that the Auditor-General can give both Houses of Parliament, a report on the level of debts, where we are with the debts on repayment and duration. Currently we are at 65 per cent debt of the PFM Act required mandate of 55 per cent of the GDP. These are concerns that are all for us. It should not be deviated to individuals, then we lose the focus on how as a House, we should play our role. We should be focusing on ensuring that the Ministry of Finance and National Planning shows these Houses how it will ensure that it comes from 65 per cent to the 55 per cent which is within the PFM Act, as that is what is currently in law. As a House and a committee, we made recommendations, especially when it comes to the IFMIS. It should be a system that can ensure all debts such the pending bills are paid within the recommended time. We talked as a committee and said that by 31st May, 2025, any debt should automatically be paid using the Consolidated Fund, among many others. Madam Temporary Speaker, because time does not allow, I thank all the stakeholders and the secretariat who have been able to support us. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "With those many remarks, I beg to reply. Since we do not have the numbers, I request that you defer putting of the question to tomorrow as per Standing Order No.66 (3)."
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"content": " Thank you, hon. Senator. The putting of the Question is deferred to the next sitting of this House, which is tomorrow."
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