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"content": " Allow me to answer the second question by Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojenda, SC, the Senator for Kisumu County. First, our soldiers do not just sit in the barracks. There is a lot of involvement in humanitarian and civic activities across the country in support of communities. This is in the area of water, security, schools, infrastructure and roads. I am sure we can attest to this at the various levels of involvement of the KDF in different parts of the country. We also have a serious defense industry unit of the KDF where we have semi- autonomous Government agencies. One example is the Kenya Meat Commission (KMC) and the Kenya Ordinance Factories Corporation (KOFC) which engage in a number of activities away from fighting and the core mandate of our personnel. On the question by the Senator for Nairobi City, Sen. Sifuna, on what was inaccurate about the article by The Daily Nation that referred to a military coup. I can only say that it was baseless, inaccurate and reckless. Mr. Speaker, Sir, as much as you have declared the third question by Sen. Chute as inadmissible, we are seized of the matter of the Karare land and I appreciate the support of the Senator. We have had discussions and even this morning, he accosted me as I was walking into the House and we will advance discussions as agreed upon. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will need the support of the leadership of Marsabit County because the military base that is intended to be set up in Marsabit, is for the interest of the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Kenyans. The Kenyan population in general and specifically, those communities affected by insecurity situations in Marsabit. The other interests espoused by the different parties are also pertinent and we will address that through the means that we have agreed on."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there was the question by the hon. Senator for Migori on the limits of what KDF should and can do, once deployed. The definition of deployment is very clear as stated in the Constitution. The KDF do not undertake investigations. They do not undertake any form of arrests and they do not deal with any internal criminal liability issues. There are institutions that are tasked with that mandate and the role of the KDF is then restricted to restoring stability, leaving out all these other issues to the relevant agencies of Government. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for admitting that the support of KDF to the NPS is indeed working in the north rift and this has been attested to by the Senator for West Pokot. We appreciate that feedback, but unfortunately, the KDF cannot be everywhere. However, as I said earlier on, insecurity has gone down in the north rift. Yes, there are instances where it is escalating in other parts of the country and that has been noted. These are the issues that are in constant deliberation between the national security organs. The procedures are very clear. If the KDF is called upon, comes in to support the NPS in the areas that were stated, for example, in Isiolo, Meru and the other parts of the country where internal strife seems to be escalating. As I said, the situation in north rift is good. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on the question by the Senator for Lamu, there is a fresh incident of 13th March of which I am aware of the incident in Kiunga, and it is a matter that is actively under investigation. Like I said earlier on, the KDF is actively deployed in Lamu under the Operation Amani Boni. I would not wish to comment on the processes that are undergoing Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, with regard to this specific case of the invasion in Lamu that involved chiefs and other people in that area, I would like to assure the Senator that the matter is actively under investigation. I am sure that as the Senator of Lamu, he knows how to plug himself in and know what is happening. I, therefore, invite him to have a discussion outside this House. For the hon. Senator for Kakamega County, I will pass those greetings to the generals and most probably they are watching. We thank him for appreciating their role. The scope and the duration for the deployment of KDF is clearly spelt out. Even the matter of the deployment that happened on 25th June is still active in court. The scope as defined by the Constitution and the relevant laws, cannot allow for a degeneration. This is because, even the duration clearly defines how long the KDF can continue to be deployed in these situations. The NSC is also properly designed to monitor constantly. This is also The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "a multi-agency outfit in order to make sure that these deployments remain within the confines of the Constitution. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Senator for Kitui County, Sen. Wambua on the confines of the operation. I believe the question was whether the gazette still subsists for the deployment of 25th June. The parameters for 25th June were clear. I earlier mentioned that there is a court case. There were two gazette notices issued by the Cabinet Secretary then, defining as required by the court directive, the scope, duration and the confines within which the KDF was to operationalize the deployment. With regard to the details of the battalions and their mandate, that is operational and I will not comment on that. The point here is to assure the nation and this House that the deployments are not arbitrary, the deployments are well thought out and the oversight role of the National Assembly, as is required for gazettement, as well as defining the scope and the duration does not give room for misuse of the deployment operations. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank Sen. Mungatana for expressing his respect for the KDF. On his question as to on why we do not have a specific law to define this secondary role of KDF. We do have a law - the Kenya Defense Forces Act. Part 2 of the Act, Sections 32, 33, through to 35, defines the parameters, the scope of engagement, the code of conduct and who takes command for the various levels of deployment. However, this House, is at liberty to review and ensure that if there are any gaps, we would be happy to engage in order to seal any loopholes that may be there. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as it were, the Constitution, read together with the KDF Act, does provide the parameters for operationalising the deployments. Sen. Madzayo, tuko na kesi nyingi across the country, kuhusiana na KDF. Lakini sina habari ya kesi ya Mariakani . Naomba unielezee zaidi . I am not aware of any row that exists between KDF and our operation space at Mariakani. Still, you are welcome to bring that to the fore if, indeed, there is any such dispute between us and the community in Mariakani. With regard to question by Sen. Murgor, Senator for West Pokot County, I appreciate again that you have stated that the north rift is quieter and more conducive. However, it is not devoid of challenges and we constantly engage with our command at the north rift. We have dealt with a few cases. Should you have any outstanding, please bring them to the fore. We have dealt with some cases and we are still ready to deal with any that may be there. As you have said, there is a lot of progress. However, we have challenges here and there. We can address them as they come. The hon. Senator for Tharaka Nithi County on the issue of recruitment. Allow me to say that sometime late last year, we got a fully-fledged notification of recruitment, with all the logos of the KDF and the Ministry published out there. We had no such recruitment going on. So, we have fraudsters out there who dupe Kenyans into believing that. We have Kenyans masquerading as generals out there with full uniforms, full ranks, and the like. I cannot say that there are no challenges that we need to address with a recruitment system. The Defence Council, which I chair, is currently working on a watertight recruitment system. One of the key principles of national security is that the recruitment by the national security organs must reflect the diversity of the Kenyan people and must be in equitable proportions. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "We are working round the clock. Without pre-empting, this House has raised a question on the same. When the time comes, I will give details on the measures we are taking to seal the loopholes in our recruitment processes. I thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Sen. Wambua, you asked your supplementary question. Our Standing Orders indicate that you only need to ask one. What do you want to say again?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for indulging me. The purpose of asking any supplementary question is to get an answer. So, if you ask a supplementary question and you do not get an answer, then there is no point. I want to seek clarification. I do not want to push the Cabinet Secretary to do things that she is not allowed to do. On my own behalf and behalf of the people of Kenya, I want to understand what is so secretive about telling Kenyans what brigade or what battalion is engaged in whatever operation is taking place anywhere in the country. The question was specific. What battalion was deployed to deal with the cases on the streets in July? This question was about the gazette notice. It is either to say whether the gazette notice has been lifted or is still in force. I see no issues with that. Let us get those answers; they are important to the people of this country. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Sen. Wambua, you asked a question and then answered it yourself. Therefore, allow the Cabinet Secretary to comment on that operation in July last year. Cabinet Secretary, if you are not ready, then we can also ask you another question."
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