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"content": "Asante sana, Bw. Spika. Ningetaka kwanza kushukuru Kamati ya Fedha na Bajeti kwa kazi nzuri waliofanya. Ningependa kusema ya kwamba adui mkubwa wa ugatuzi ni wale walio katika Bunge la Kitaifa. Mswahili husema ya kwamba ukibebacho ukivuja, nafuu kwa mchukuzi. Uongozi wa Bunge la Kitaifa unafaa kumakinika na kuhakikisha ya kwamba hakuna vuta nikuvute tunapopitisha Mswada. Hii ni kwa sababu sisi ndio walinzi wa The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "ugatuzi. Pesa ambazo zinaenda kwa kaunti hazikuji kwetu kama Maseneta. Pesa hizo zinaenda kufaidi Wakenya. Kwa hivyo, ningetaka kuwasuta kwa hilo na kuwaambia ya kwamba miwa ukipewa kibogoyo mzee kama zawadi, inakuwa ni matusi. Pesa tunazopitisha siku ya leo zimecheleweshwa kwa sababu ya vuta nikuvute ambayo haina maana. Tunafuraha kwa sababu maafisa ambao wanafanya kazi ngumu katika gatuzi zetu watapata pesa zao. Naona Kirinyaga wako na Shilingi 6,000,000. Hakukuwa na maana yoyote ya kuchelewa kulipa wafanyikazi hao kiwango hicho ilhali wanafanya kazi ngumu kule mashinani. Wengi wao wanaenda kazini wakitembea kama mawakala wa ng’ombe. Wengine hawana hata usafiri ya kuhakikisha kwamba afya inatunzwa kule mashinani. Mateso yao yalitokea kwa sababu ya jitihada ambazo zilifanywa na Wabunge wa Bunge la Kitaifa. Walichelewesha Mswada ambao tunapitisha hapa. Tumepewa kazi moja muhimu; kuwa walinzi wa ugatuzi. Lakini, mlinzi pia lazima apewe silaha. Bunge la Seneti limebweka ya kutosha. Wakati wa kuuma umefika. Tukifanya hivyo, watajua ya kwamba hata sisi sio vikaragosi na wanasesere wa siasa. Wanafaa kujua ya kwamba sisi ni Seneti na tuko na jukumu ambalo tumepewa na lazima tufanye. Kuna vile wanatuchukulia virahisi kama bei ya chumvi. Hii ni kwa sababu hao hupinga Mswada wowote ambao tumepeleka kule. Unatapa ya kwamba hata wale ambao hawajasoma wanaongea mitaani na kupinga ule Mswada. Lazima tufanye jitihada ili tueleweke na tuheshimike. Jambo la kushangaza sana ni kwamba vita vimekuja kwa sababu ya pesa ambazo zinafaa kwenda kuangalia maswala ya barabara mashinani. Hao wanajua ya kwamba kuna zile barabara ambazo zinashughulikiwa na Kenya National Highways Authority (KeNHA), Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KeRRA), Kenya Urban Roads Authority (KURA) na zile ambazo zinashughulikiwa na kaunti zetu. Walitoa pesa ambazo zinafaa kwenda kuangalia masuala ya barabara na hatua hiyo imefanya barabara katika kaunti nyingi kukaa kama mahandaki. Hizo barabara zimechimbika kwa sababu hakuna pesa za kuzitengeneza. Leo, Seneta yeyote ambaye yuko hapa akikutana na gavana wake atapigwa pambaja kwa kazi nzuri. Hii ni kwa sababu tunapitisha pesa ambazo zitaenda mashinani ilhali kesho, tutakuwa maadui wa hao magavana ambao tunatetea siku ya leo. Utasikia wakisema ya kwamba, “anapiga kelele. Hajui kazi yake.” Leo tunajua kazi yetu ilhali kesho watasema ya kwamba hatujui kazi yetu. Tumebweka tukahakikisha ya kwamba magavana wamepata pesa na hivyo ndivyo tutabweka pesa zisipotumika visivyo. Ahsante."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. There was inevitable delay in the Report. The report which was done by the Committee is much better, and I hope my colleagues will receive it. That Report demarcates the schedules, the money from donor funding, conditional grants and all other monies that need to go to every county. Two, there is clarity of what every county has gotten from donor funding, the Financing Locally-Led Climate Action (FLLoCA) Programme money, and all these other monies which have been in the programme. I thank the Senate Majority Leader for his comments. I also thank my friend, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, who woke up with me at seven o'clock in the morning to make sure that The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "this Report is done. There is a problem on the dealing with the Road Maintenance Levy Fund. That is what has held us back until this time. Therefore, the decision to allow the courts determine for us this matter in finality makes sense. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have always asked, in this House, to be given the amounts every county is getting in figures. We have also been requesting to know the agencies where they are getting that money from in order for us to explain to our people what needs to be done. I am sure this House is aware that governors have already pronounced themselves. In fact, they gave us 14 days for this document to be tabled here for us to approve the money. The governors are our partners. We want them to succeed and we want to make sure that the funds are utilized well and effectively. However, we are beginning to feel that our governors are not giving us the best. If you look at the audit discussions that have been taking place for the last two weeks, you will realize that there is a lot of misappropriation, waste and misuse of public funds. You will note that the audits are not up to date. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am in a position to know about the audits. Last year, we did audits up to the Financial Year 2024/2025. We noted that there are about six counties whose books have never been audited for the last four years. That is what they are struggling with. We want to request our governors to use the money prudently. They should be responsible and reduce the political noise that we have in the county governments because Kenyans just want service delivery. Kenyans just want nothing else but to give them service delivery, make sure that we pay our nurses, doctors and teachers on time, and that capitation money for our schools and road construction arrives on time. Yesterday, I saw public debate as to why Kenyans are angry. I do not think Kenyans are angry. They just want service. University students want their money to be available for their education, teachers want their money for capitation to be available. Promote those who need to be promoted. We are not able to compensate and pay allowances to community health workers, yet they play a very critical role in making sure that services within our country and medical services are given first priority. My Party Leader, the Secretary-General of the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM), Hon. Sifuna talk, has said clearly that, for the last three months we have been having members from the medical fraternity coming to the gates of the Senate to make noise because we are not paying and honouring their Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBAs). Some of these agreements were signed two or three years ago. So, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to say that, as a Committee, we appreciate the support that we have received from this House. The Committee team has worked diligently, and I would like to thank my Chairperson, Hon. Roba, who has really pushed us. While he was away, we have been having Hon. (Dr.) Khalwale with his experience and energy to hold in brief. We have presented to this House a report that is believable and factual. The money that has been given to every county has been stated, whether it is for health, agriculture or roads. The teams were looking at the figures and the amounts of The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "consternation it was raising. There were many issues that we dealt with and felt that because we do not have time, there was no need for us to have disagreements in terms of what the numbers were and what they were not. I would like to remind many that, last year, there was a group of about 18 counties that were given money for the industrial parks and we waited. I am happy that Kisii County has also now been given the money for the industrial parks. I am also happy that the money which was allocated for cancer as a special project has also been allocated. So, I am positive and hopeful that we will continue working hard in this House, and standing our ground. I am happy that many Senators in this House, are now seized of the fact that we must be the people who are going to defend devolution. We must be the people who are going to make sure that when the money goes to the county governments, it does the service that it is supposed to do so that Kenyans can begin to be happy and see that we are actually moving the country forward. I am happy that the amount is about Kshs50 billion, which is not small money. I believe that we will be able to finish the county aggregation and industrial parks. There many issues coming. I want to raise an issue, before I forget. Hon. (Dr.) Khalwale, we need to engage our colleagues in the National Assembly to realize that they have to make a decision whether they are going to become the ‘tenderpreneurs’ in Government projects and deals, or whether they are going to serve the public in making sure that the money arrives at the county governments and their constituencies. There is a lot going on in our counties and sub-counties. My honest observation is that we need to become prudent and leaders who believe that the public expectation is higher, and deliver services to our people. Mr. Speaker, Sir, you heard Hon. Khalwale mention that, yes, fines are collected by the courts, and then these fines are supposed to be transferred to the Consolidated Fund. For the last three years that we have been looking at these figures, we have never heard anybody say whether there was an audit done on these fines, or the money is still being domesticated at the Judiciary, or whether it was transferred to the Consolidated Fund and re-budgeted for other purposes. I believe this would be a good call, because even if this money may not be so much, any money right now is needed in our Republic. I hope that we will continue to make sure that we maintain prudency and dignity in making sure that our resources are utilized effectively, fairly, equitably and prudently. I would like to also engage and explain to my colleagues in this House that, we have been analyzing and conducting analysis of audit reports from various county governments. We need to start asking ourselves, what are the recommendations that this House will be making? Some of those reports are going to be tabled today. What recommendations are we making to try and, if anything, act as deterrence? Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am sure yesterday, you saw in the media, where we are being told how certain billions of shillings are being misappropriated by certain county governments, and certain services are not being provided. What then are we doing about it? How are we going to make sure that some of these mistakes are not repeated? It looks like it is over, and over, and over again. We need to engage in this. I would wish that my The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "colleagues deeply look through, particularly this Senate. It is your responsibility to try and save the county governments, because they are in trouble. Finally, we need to come up and solve this problem where all governors are saying, and indeed they are correct, that there is always late disbursement of funds from the Exchequer. That matter must be sorted out. Any time you delay payments of a trader or a business person who was a supplier, naturally, you understand what that means. It means that his loans are either not going to be serviced, and some of these people have been auctioned. In several counties, some of these contractors have died. Governors are no longer paying pending bills, because they are paying their friends and the companies that they are using to do business for themselves. So, we are really in a catch-22 situation. However, I believe that this Senate has the capacity to come up with good laws and make sure that such Bills, like this one, will go a long way in making sure that we move our country ahead. Mr. Speaker, Sir, with those remarks, I support this Bill and hope that it will be expedited immediately, so that the money can be sent to the county governments. Thank you."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, for clarity and to guide the debate, we are on the Second Reading of the Bill. Therefore, your debate should be based on the Bill as opposed to a report. The few Senators who have contributed have actually not gone into the Bill itself. So, kindly base your comments on the Bill, because we are debating a Bill that has come for the Second Reading. Sen. Kathuri, please proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Hon. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to comment on this important Bill touching on the core nerve of our work to make sure that devolution works in this country. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Bill is making provisions for the transfer of conditional allocations from the national Government's share of revenue and from Government partners. As you have guided, we are supposed to look into the content of the Bill. First of all, I would like to make a concern that these disbursements are coming towards the end of the financial year. We are entering the fourth quarter next month, and we have really delayed the counties from spending this money on the people that we represent. All the same, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to comment on the county aggregations and industrial parks, where 19 counties are benefiting from this Fund. If we go by whether the counties have also matched this amount, because the counties were to give out Kshs250 million, and then the national Government was to give Kshs250 million to make it Kshs500 million. So, how far have these 19 counties are in reference to this amount? I remember being in one of the programmes on Meru FM this week. One of my constituents asked me how much was spent on that county aggregation project. I had committed to counter-checking what had come from the national Government and what had been contributed by the County Government of Meru for at least two weeks. The report states that we are at 80 per cent so far. I was wondering whether all this money has been submitted or committed to the project. If you see that we have The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Kshs105 million, then it means that the project can be almost done. If all the other monies were released, we should be at almost 75 per cent. Another issue is the Community Health Promoters (CHPs). My colleague, the Senator for Nairobi City County, is well-spoken. You sent us to talk to the CHPs when they camped at the Senate gate. I am happy that you committed the Committee on Health to work on this matter. After recess, we will learn about the progress made by the Chairperson of the Committee on Health. It is disheartening that citizens of this country, especially the youth, can work for us, their parents and the rest of the Kenyan population. However, they do not get the money that they are supposed to earn from their sweat. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am happy that once we resolve this matter, the money will be transmitted to the county governments, so that they can also be paid. Are the county governments honouring part of the bargain? The arrangement is that county governments share with the national Government a ratio of 50-50. My concern is also whether the counties match this money so that the CHPs can get their allocation. The elephant in this Bill is this schedule for the RMLF. When I served in the National Assembly, where Sen. Sifuna does not know what happen, there was an allocation for Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KeRRA), Kenya Urban Roads Authority (KURA) and Kenya National Highways Authority (KeNHA). Also, there was an allocation for county roads. To me, how the National Assembly, in the 13th Parliament, has decided not to release this money to the county governments is a shock. I remember 10 per cent of this fund was going to the counties because we have county roads. The road going to my house is a county road. As I speak, it is dilapidated. It is from the highway, which is under Class B under KeNHA and cannot be funded by KeNHA. If this money cannot reach the counties, then I will never get to my house after these rains. This should be the first priority. Even though we do not direct the courts on what to do, this is a matter of national interest. I wish our courts could really decide on this matter, once and for all, so that this money can go to the counties to make our roads. When Members of Parliament start this, I want to use parliamentary language as much as possible. When they make these decisions, they look at their benefits, not the entire picture. An allocation of Kshs284 million should go to Meru County. Since we have nine constituencies, each can benefit from approximately Kshs30 million. This is good money for upgrading those roads because you need just to grade and gravel. The National Assembly should stop derailing devolution. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale said we have three enemies of devolution; the National Assembly, the Senate and the county governments themselves. I want to exonerate myself from his statement. I am a true defender of devolution. When matters touching on devolution, especially on Meru County, come to this floor or even outside this Floor, I am the first defender. My colleagues know my position. When I decided Meru County should work, I meant it. I usually do the best I can so that I see or feel that Meru is working. I am a happy person. Mr. Speaker, Sir, even though you were taken to court, I want to thank you for one minute. When as the Speaker of the Senate, there was a petition to the High Court, I The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "want to thank you for standing your ground. You said that once a governor is impeached, he should remain impeached. I want to thank your office and also the Clerk’s office. The Senate put a lot of effort into this matter. It has now been respected. Let me tell you for free, hon. Senators. This is because the decision that the Senate made has been upheld. Therefore, when I sometimes see Senators try to play around with some decisions made by the Senate, I really feel for us because our House should be respected. This is what has exactly happened. I do not want to use a lot of time. Even though they have removed this RMLF, in future, the Committee must also try to see how such matters can be cleared as soon as possible to have this money sent to counties. Mr. Speaker, Sir, for instance, if we have Kshs10 billion lying in the National Treasury and it cannot go to roads in the counties through KeRRA or KeNHA, then the leadership of both Houses should discuss some of these national issues and conclude, so that we do not delay the development of our country. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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