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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would ask my Governor, hon. Malombe, to communicate better and to be more accessible, especially to the Senator. When I seek to speak to the governor, I do not want anything personal. It is just about us working and making sure that things move in the right direction for the benefit of the people that we represent. I know I am as passionate about Kitui County as you are about Meru County. You said that when you begin doing these things, you make sure that things happen and I know what you mean. The next column which is very important is Column D on the allocations to CHPs. I do not want to speak for the other Senators because they will have an opportunity to speak for themselves and their counties. Let me speak about CHP allocations in respect of Kitui County. If there is a cadre of staff that needs serious attention and serious facilitation, it is the CHPs because they are our first line of defence in terms of health. These are the people that when there are issues in the middle of the night in remote villages, patients and families run to for assistance and first aid. Yet important as they are, they are the most neglected lot in the health sector. I speak with pain about CHPs because last Friday, I was with a number of them from Kitui County. By God's grace, I run a foundation called Kiio Wambua Foundation that carries out medical camps across the county. On Friday, we were at Kawii Ward in Kitui West Constituency where we attended to over 1,300 patients being assisted by 50 CHPs. These people are suffering because they have not been paid their money for many The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "months. It is not even pay, because how do you call Kshs2,500 a pay? They have not earned their little stipend. Can I appeal to the wisdom of this House and that of the committee, led by the very able Senator from Mandera County, to engage with their counterparts in the National Assembly and the National Treasury and see what we can do to compensate and facilitate CHPs better? If we can facilitate CHPs better and in good time, then a lot of the common ailments that we struggle with will be a thing of the past. They help the elderly to access medication for high blood pressure and diabetes. They advise them on basic hygiene and nutrition. Therefore, if we facilitate them better, then perhaps we will lessen the workload of our doctors, nurses and clinicians. I see that Kitui County has been allocated Kshs74 million for CHPs. We could do much better. For now, we will take it and we thank the committee for that. Lastly, I wish I could know how much time I have left. Two minutes. Let me try and speak briefly within those two minutes. If I am not able to finish, I will request that you give me one minute. However, I should be able to complete within that time. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, allow me to mention this thing about the RMLF. After Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale comes and cleans up the HANSARD, then let it go on record that the greatest enemies of devolution in this country are members of the National Assembly. That should remain in the HANSARD for the rest of our lives. For now, as I speak, the greatest enemy of devolution in this country is the National Assembly. When you want to stop allocations of monies going to county roads, monies that are accrued from the fund that is established by an Act of Parliament; simply because you want all the money to come to you so that you are the alpha and the omega in making decisions on which laws will be made and which laws will not be made. Let us call it as it is. It is not that the Members of the National Assembly want to repair and maintain roads. It is that they want to control the funds so that they issue the contracts and tenders to their friends, wives, girlfriends and boyfriends. That is exactly what they want to do. I have looked at this schedule. For the County of Kitui, we are supposed to give the Governor Kshs445 million to maintain county roads, but the Members of the National Assembly want all that money to be given to them. For as long as I remain the Senator of Kitui County, my foot will remain on the ground for Kshs445 million going to the County Government of Kitui for maintenance of county roads. There is this argument that when the money goes to the counties, oh, it is stolen, I do not know what happens. If a governor misappropriates funds, take him to court and charge him with---"
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"content": " Please, give him just 30 seconds to conclude."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. We will not stop there. There is an adjustment that was done last year, in July, on the fuel levy, from Kshs18 to The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Kshs25. Now the Cabinet Secretary in charge of roads in the national Government wants to use the entire Kshs7 per litre of fuel to pay pending bills, totalling to Kshs175 billion, without consideration of the roads in the counties. We are saying that a percentage of that Kshs7 per litre must go to counties for the maintenance of county roads. I want to urge my colleagues that when it comes to matters of devolution, that is why we are said to be champions and defenders of it. The best way of killing devolution is to deny county governments money to carry out devolved functions. On the matter of roads, let us stick to what we believe is true and right and ensure that we give sufficient monies to our counties to maintain county roads. With those many remarks, I support."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to thank the committee led by my friend, Sen. Ali Roba, for this Bill. Similarly, I take this opportunity to add on what the Senator of Kitui County has just said. I want to start with the Second Schedule on the Road Maintenance Levy. I sit in the Committee on Roads with the Senator Wambua. The Cabinet Secretary came before our committee and told us that he has Kshs 7 per litre added on fuel levy and he was going to use it for offsetting pending bills. If I am not wrong, the collection is about Kshs75 million every year. Surprisingly, he is discounting that money six years in advance. That means, he will borrow money or ask an investor to collect it on behalf of the Government, but pay it in advance so that he can settle pending bills. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to support what my colleague has just said. If they will use the Kshs7 at least half of it should go to counties. We had an opportunity to have a county governor who is in charge of roads. I think it is Governor of Kiambu County, before our committee one time. He said that they have thousands and thousands of kilometres of roads in their counties that are not being managed by the counties because they do not have funds. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if today the Cabinet Secretary wants to take the Kshs7 and the Kshs15 and the National Assembly wants to take it and control the roads in the counties, then why is the Senate here? What are we doing? We are supposed to support and protect devolution. Article 96(1) says very clearly that this Senate serves to protect the interest of the counties. In that case, if we allow the national Government, I do not want to use the language that was used by my friend, the issue of girlfriends and women. The work of the National Assembly under Article 95(4)(b) is to appropriate funds. It is not to turn into contractors. Similarly, Article 95(5)(b) is very clear on the job of National Assembly, which is to exercise oversight. How can they oversight funds and at the same time manage the same? That will not work. Yes, we have a problem in the counties, but that does not mean that because of mismanagement of county resources, we will divert monies from the county governments to National Assembly. Let me take you back to First Schedule which talks about conditional allocation for the construction of county headquarters. We, the committee in charge of devolution, The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "chaired by my friend, Senator for Wajir, Sen. Abass, went to Lamu. We found that the county has done some construction work and they have not finished. If you look at where the construction is now, they would need millions of money to finish. So, what is the purpose of sending money to the counties and you do not finish your projects? Two weeks ago, we went to Lodwar in Turkana County. There is a park called Biashara Park, a three-storeyed building, but not finished. It consumed millions and millions of monies. There are projects that are not complete. They were funded by the national Government and the county government. Some were funded by the county government only. As a Senate, specifically the devolution committee, should visit counties and see projects that are not finished. They should call the governors and ask them when they will finish them. Let them give us timeline. Let me take you back to the First Schedule, which is conditional allocation for the community health workers. If you go to hospitals and health centres in rural areas, specifically places like Marsabit, Turkana, Wajir, Mandera and even Kitui, health workers are working under inhumane conditions. It is time that we equip them. The issue of salaries can come later, but they must be fully equipped. In some instances, even gloves are not there. You find some of them putting on plastic. This is not fair. So, on the issue of health promoters, first of all, the conditions they are working under should be conducive. Number two, delay in payment. Their salaries, or whatever they are being paid, should be paid in time. I also want to take you to the Third Schedule on the issue of court fines. I have seen 10 counties receiving money collected from the fines. What I want to know is what other Senators have said. Other Senators are saying accountability for these funds should be open and be scrutinized, so that we know how much money is being received and how much is given to counties. Why is this money given to only 10 counties? I do not know the reason, but somebody should tell me. Finally, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the problem the National Assembly is trying to put forward is that the counties are corrupt and are not managing their resources very well. Yes, we have a problem, but the problem in the counties are supposed to be managed and oversighted by this House. The money is budgeted. You will find that people will go for public participation. The community will say what they want. The budget will be undertaken. After that budget is undertaken, there will be another budget, which is called supplementary budget. Once they bring that budget, you will find that what the people asked for is not there. It is removed. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what this House needs to do is to follow each county, what budget they put forward and what is in the public participation; what the people asked for. After knowing what the people have asked for and the budget has been dealt with, we need to know what is on the ground. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have 47 counties. I want to challenge my friends here. Please, look at the budget on paper then go to your counties and see if the work has been done or even started. You will find that most of the works have not been done and others are not complete. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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