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"content": "When we support and pass this budget, we think we are supporting the governors. Yes, we need to support the governors, but we need also to support our people. We are not supporting an individual, but communities. If you really care about your community, where you come from, please visit your counties. You should go to the wards and see the project that has been initiated, the ones that have been completed and what has not been completed. With that, you will know the exact situation. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I live in Karen and the road going to my house is called Ndege Road, then there is a rough road called Korongo Road which is about 1.1 km long. A contractor put some stones on that road and has not finished constructing it. It takes me about two minutes to drive from Karen Shopping Centre to Korongo Road. I then take about 10 to 15 minutes to move from Ndege Road to Korongo Road. Why does this happen? It is because the monies that are supposed to go to the counties are not there. This is because Kshs7 has been taken by the national Government and our friends, our brothers and sisters, at the National Assembly, want to take Kshs15. That is unacceptable. If the money for Marsabit does not go to Marsabit County, I will go to court to stop the National Assembly from taking that money from the counties. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir."
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"content": " Next is Sen. Mumma."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute to this Bill. This is the easiest Bill to pass because it is about passing funds that have already been negotiated. Properly speaking, this is a Bill that should have passed ages ago. We have delayed for eight months because of the pull and push and the ego of the National Assembly. I was a Member of the Mediation Committee on the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (Senate Bills No.19 of 2024). It is unfortunate that we could not discuss anything coherently because we were being blackmailed. We were asked to speak to the governors to withdraw the case on Road Maintenance Levy Fund (RMLF) or there would be no discussion at all. We tried to bring it to the attention of Members of the National Assembly that what they were doing was not only undermining the people of Kenya, but it was also undermining the Government programme."
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"content": "Those of you in Kenya-Kwanza Government know that the bottom-up economic transformation agenda is seriously undermined by this delay. I see that the Senate Majority Leader is not here. When you look at the First Schedule, you will notice that it is about additional allocations from national Government revenues. This is actually about implementing projects and programmes that are within national Government development agenda. Some of these include what was promised in the bottom-up economic transformation agenda. I remember trying to raise it to the then Chairman of the Committee on Budget who was the co-chair in the Mediation Committee, hon. Ndindi Nyoro. I told him, “I thought you were a supporter of the Bottom-up Economic Transformation Agenda. How do you undermine this? You should be showing Kenyans the projects that you are implementing. You promised to come up with industrial parks in partnership with county governments. It was not the county governments’ agenda, but the national The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Government’s agenda, yet you are here undermining the passing of the law that will deliver on that.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, and the Senate Majority Leader, during your Parliamentary Group meeting, you should advise your colleagues in the National Assembly that some of the decisions that they make actually undermine your own development agenda. We will not have much to show on the programmes in the First Schedule because of the ego trips by the National Assembly. It is what has delayed this issue. I would like us to apologize to the CHPs and to the county government health workers for the delays we have had, which was completely unnecessary. The payment to CHPs and the county government health workers that have been delayed is a total unfortunate occurrence and we need to apologize to them. We had to pass this Bill. Unfortunately, the National Assembly would not let us pass it. In my view, we need to come up with ways in which the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill can pass without the shenanigans that we have gone through during this period. I am requesting that the committee or the Senate at large, seriously consider whether there is an alternative way in which County Governments Additional Allocations Bill can pass without the recent experience. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would then want to speak to the Fourth Schedule. The Fourth Schedule is about the Development Partners Funds that are additional allocations. Out of 14 funds, only two are grants and 12 of those funds are loans. We owe it to the Kenyan people to give them an account of the monetary loss that has been occasioned by the eight-month delay in operationalizing these loans. I am suggesting that the committee gets a report from the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO), which should be an assessment of how much has been lost in terms of public funds when we consider the fines and the commissions we have to pay. This is because the charging commenced as soon as we signed those loans. It is important that the people of Kenya get to know how much money has been lost. It is also important that the National Assembly gets to appreciate how much we are losing as a result of these ego trips. Therefore, it will be good to know the penalties that we are being charged. It will also be good to know the value loss that we have had because of the delays in implementing the projects that ought to have started. If we do not put a value on what we are losing, then they do not appreciate, they imagine that it is just an ego trip about who is or who has the powers between the two Houses. It will be good, in future, for us to be able to tell Kenyans that we are losing this much because National Assembly does not want to implement devolution. I am requesting that figure be given to us. We need to know how much we have lost on the 12 loans in terms of the commissions that we are being charged and the cost of not implementing these programmes. When it comes to the schedule on the court fines, I totally support the committee. Even though they have passed it, we need to find a more transparent formula that we can use to determine how much court fines are coming in and how much each county has to get. When you look at that schedule, you will notice that very few counties are receiving any monies out of the court fines. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "I have no clue why it is only those counties. It will be good to know how much we are getting out of this and how much in terms of apportionment will be going to all the other counties as well. As I finalize, my plea is that as a Senate, let us ensure we do not have a repeat of what has happened. That might mean that we think out of the box in terms of how we want to pass the County Government's Additional Allocation Bill (Senate Bill No.1 of 2025). If it means there is a big conversation within the summit and between the two Houses, we need to find a solution so that the National Assembly appreciates that funds that have been negotiated in loan and grant agreements. Funds that have been put in budgets courtesy of the National Government Development Agenda are funds that we cannot hold back merely because we want a particular fund to pass. It is the most shameful thing that they use the RLMF to blackmail the country on very important funds and to delay the implementation for eight months. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support this Bill. However, I request the issues I have raised, which are important, be looked into by the Committee, so that we do not have a repeat of this in the coming financial year. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Agnes Kavindu, please, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to, first of all, congratulate the Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Budget. I would like to echo the words of those who have gone before me. That this Bill is overdue because counties are suffering. I will support the Bill even as Machakos County is losing some money. For instance, on the First Schedule, Machakos County last year had Kshs445,350,996 and this year, they have been allocated Kshs247,159,451. We are losing Kshs48,967,916. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is because CHPs were not there before. The CHPs have been allocated in Machakos Kshs83,250,000, which is okay. As we delay passing this Bill, they are suffering. In addition, the doctors are on the streets demonstrating every day because of lack of payments and promotions. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we should pass this Bill as soon as possible so that doctors and the CHPs across the country get their Kshs50.5 billion. It is not good enough, but for the time being, they can live decent lives like any other person. On the Second Schedule, I would say that Machakos County is gaining because last Financial Year 2023/2024, it was not allocated any money on roads maintenance. This year we have been allocated Kshs314,887,445, which is okay. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on unconditional and additional allocations from court fines, Machakos County, last year had Kshs14,436,324. This year, we have gained with Kshs1,617,000. As per the fourth schedule, Machakos County, again has lost Kshs144,496,490 because last year we had Kshs497,315,830. This year we are getting Kshs352,000. We should pass this Bill as it is as we continue following up with the rest of it. When we continue delaying because this money has already been dispatched from the The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "partners' accounts. However, we continue losing because we are paying on interest when the counties are not spending this money on development projects. So, I would like us to pass it as it is as we continue fighting for its increment. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we should also warn the National Assembly not to interfere so much on the allocations of the county governments because we are always at grassroots level and we know what happens there. For instance, roads that belong to County Government of Machakos are in pathetic situations. That is why the governors wants to this money so that they can work on the roads. When Members of the National Assembly are working on their roads, the county governments should also be working on theirs. I support."
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"content": "Deputy (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kinyua, please, proceed."
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