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"content": "Allow me to speak. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what I was just saying is this. At 6.00 O'clock, we have to go to the Mosque. So, considering that we have a few of us here who are going to go to the Mosque, let us limit to three minutes. That is fine with us."
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"content": " Okay, so let us proceed now. I think I will first give those who were not able to contribute in the morning. Sen. Osotsi?"
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. First of all, let me commend the Committee of CPAC for the great Report they have tabled before us, which has very good information. I think the experiences of CPAC are similar to the CPIC which I had. Issues of late submission of document which is contrary to Section 62.2 of the Public Audit Act, is a common issue in all the counties. I think it is a matter that we need to have a way of dealing with, even if it involves invoking the penalties under Section 62 of the Public Audit Act. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we have also seen a trend of inaccuracies, errors, incompleteness in financial statements that are audited by the Office of the Auditor-General. This is because accountants or finance managers in our various counties are not doing their work professionally. I want to agree with the CPAC that it is time that these officials comply with the provisions of the Public Sector Accounting Standards Board. Where they do not comply, then we need to invoke the provisions of Section 8 and 10 of the Accountants Act (2008), which may also include getting assistance from the professional body; the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Kenya (ICPAK) on dealing with the misconduct. Mr. Deputy Speaker, let me go to the Report in reference to my county of Vihiga. I am very sad as a Senator of Vihiga County that a whopping Kshs3.4 billion, which is just Kshs2 billion less than our shareable revenue, cannot be accounted for. The amount is facing fiduciary risk. An amount of Kshs3.4 billion shillings is not small money. This is out of the following; non-disclosure of commission earned from payroll services. This is where they give services to circus or third-party people, a whopping Kshs 4.3 million cannot be accounted for."
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"content": " Members, we have only three minutes. Sen. Mundigi. Thank you."
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"content": "Asante sana, Naibu Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii ili niweze kuchangia Ripoti hii ya Kamati ya CPAC. Wamefanya kazi nzuri. Ningeomba serikali gatuzi ambazo zilikuwa na matatizo zifuatiliwe ili ijulikane pesa zilipotea vipi. Kuna kaunti ambayo imepoteza Shilingi 400 milioni. Ifuatiliwe, kuwe na risiti hata kama ofisi hizo zilichomeka. Asubuhi tulikuwa tunafuatilia vile serikali gatuzi zitapatiwa pesa. Naunga Kamati inayohusika na fedha kwa sababu niliona kaunti yangu ya Embu itapokea Shilingi 363 milioni. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Kuna mambo ya nyumba ambazo zimejengwa, kuna jambo linalohusu CHPs ili wapate pesa. Kuna mambo ya barabara na kaunti zimewasilisha kesi kortini. Kama mahakama itakubaliana nao, Kaunti ya Embu inastahili kupata Shilingi 211milioni. Wadi zote zitafaidika na hizi pesa. Wakati huu mvua inanyesha, magari yanakwama. Naomba mahakama iweze kutusaidia. Bw. Naibu Spika, mimi ninaomba mahakama iweze kusaidia ndiposa magavana waweze kupata pesa inayofaa. Wabunge wa Bunge la Kitaifa wote wako na pesa. Wako na pesa ya National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF), pesa ya barabara na bado wako na pesa ya sitima. Wako na hizo pesa zote lakini hakuna mtu anaangalia matumizi ya pesa hizo. Ningeomba kwamba hata kama tunafuata pesa kwa ajili ya magavana wetu kufanya kazi yao, hata Seneti inahitaji kupewa nguvu ya kufanya kazi ya oversight vizuri. Maseneta wakifanya kazi vizuri, magavana watahakikisha ya kwamba pesa zile ambazo wamepewa zimetumika kwa njia inayofaa. Wajumbe wote ni lazima wakubali kusaidia kaunti ili waipate pesa. Tuko hapa kama Maseneta kuongea mambo ya ugatuzi na matatizo ambayo magavana wanapata. Ninaunga mkono kazi ambayo imefanywa na kamati hizi mbili. Asante."
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"content": " Sen. Sifuna, you may proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am a very proud Member of the County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) under the able leadership of Sen. M. Kajwang’. During our meeting to adopt this particular Report, we were given the definition of fiduciary risk by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO). A cursory search of the term fiduciary risk gives us its definition as the potential or loss that can arise when an entity fails to work in the best interest of the people, leading to misuse, mismanagement, or lack of transparency. In that Report, you will see that the cumulative fiduciary risk exposure of all the 47 counties is Kshs532 billion. Out of that, the fiduciary risk exposure by Nairobi City County alone is Kshs157 billion. These reports bring me great shame as the Senator for Nairobi City County. It is shameful to see that Nairobi City County is number one in all the wrong things. We are the highest when it comes to irregular expenditure at Kshs32.5 billion out of the Kshs39.1 billion of all the counties, which is about 83 or 85 per cent. We are also number one when it comes to unbudgeted expenditure at Kshs12 billion in terms of fiduciary exposure. We then have the matter of pending bills. Out of the Kshs179 billion that constitute pending bills in the 47 counties, 65 per cent of that, or Ksh118 billion, is the fiduciary exposure in Nairobi City County. We have gotten to a place where we now need to know what the next steps are other than just listening to these entities and the Auditor-General appearing before our committees. I want the people of Nairobi City County to understand that even though the Constitution says that Parliament shall look at the reports of the Auditor-General, we rely on other institutions to take action. In the Committee that I sit in, we have recommended prosecution of officers in over 150 cases. We had an occasion to sit with the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) and asked them to give us the reports about these investigations. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "We have also met officers from the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) and made recommendations for prosecution of people. We have made recommendations to professional bodies like the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Kenya (ICPAK) that regulates accountants. We have also made recommendations to the Law Society of Kenya on lawyers who give wrong information or wrong advice to their executives and those who collude with their departments to steal money through legal fees. We need all these institutions to come to the rescue of our counties. If you look at the total exposure on stalled projects, Nairobi City County is again number one. I want this Senate to help us, Nairobi City County, because if devolution works in Nairobi, it will work elsewhere. Thank you."
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