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"content": " Thank you, Sen. Sifuna. Sen. Mariam Omar, you have the Floor."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I stand here to support the Report of the CPAC. As the Chairperson of the Committee moved the Motion on the adoption of the Report, I noticed some common issues among the counties. Some of them are unsupported expenditure and fiduciary risk in financial reports. We have seen that in 16 counties and it is above Kshs50 million. Most of the counties paid money without supporting documents. I urge the Chairperson and Committee Members not to allow any unsupported documents to be availed to the Committee. The county government through the governor, who is the Chief Executive Officer (CEO), should take action against an officer who fails to avail documents to the Office of the Auditor-General (OAG) under Section 156 of the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act of 2012. The second issue is on pending bills. Most of the counties do not disclose their pending bills. Pending bills are normally the first charge and it usually accumulates. For example, Mandera County has a pending bill of Kshs2 billion. This shows that they are not paying but are instead accumulating the pending bills. The other one is avoidable expenditure. Avoidable expenditure is like penalties, and interests on statutory deductions which have not been submitted on time. The other one is installed projects and poor workmanship. Projects in some counties are stalled because of lack of public participation. They do not involve the citizens in order for them to get to know their needs. Additionally, we have the fixed assets register. Most of the counties do not keep their fixed assets registers. That shows that the assets of the counties are unknown. Therefore, as the Chairperson and Committee Members make a follow-up on those assets without a register---"
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"content": " Okay. Sen. Olekina, you may proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Let me begin by thanking the two committees and the distinguished Senator for Homa Bay County for telling us what is going on in this country. We do have serious fiduciary risk. Fiduciary risk comes about when those who are tasked with the fiduciary responsibility fail to do so. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "I have gone through the Report and I am ashamed of my own county when it comes to nugatory expenditures. Nugatory expenditures are those expenses which could have been avoided. They are the expenses that you do not have to pay penalties for if you pay your bills on time. You actually do not have to pay interest, and you do not have to pay legal fees. Unfortunately, we paid a whopping Kshs1.7 billion in terms of nugatory expenditures. Kajiado County also shocked me. They have about Kshs11.9 billion which the Governor could be collecting from rent arrears and paid rates instead of fighting other people. He could have been going to collect that money. Secondly, there is the issue of pending bills. I am happy that my county has reduced it. It has gone down to Kshs763 million, but it is still a lot of money. In Kajiado County, it is over Kshs2.35 billion. When you look at the development budget, you will realise that Kshs1.4 billion has not been paid to developers. Essentially, nothing is happening. The distinguished Senator for Homa Bay County, the Chairperson of the County Public Accounts Committee, has asked us to allow them to go after these rogue governors. He has asked us to allow them to work with the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) to go and scrutinize these expenditures. If we do that, as a House, we will save this country from these nugatory expenditures. We will save the businesses that are not paid when they are supposed to be paid. We will be looking at issues of fiduciary responsibilities. We need to agree on what should happen if you fault or if you do not respect the PFM Act and you are called but fail to do so. I know that the Governor of Kajiado County was called to appear before the Committee and he failed to do so. Instead of focusing and making sure that you are using the money rightly, you are busy politicking. Right now, we want the Committee to go after these governors and ensure that they are jailed if need be."
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"content": " Sen. Joe Nyutu, you may proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity for me to also say something about this very damning report from the County Public Accounts Committee. Our counties should be able to put their priorities right. I would like to start by saying that our counties should be able to put their priorities right, and that issues to do with the community health promoters and salaries for medical staff things should be prioritised by the counties. That is why we spent a lot of time here in the morning trying to see to it that there is even distribution of additional revenue, We cannot fight that hard to give our counties more cash only for the same to be misappropriated, and most of it, outrightly stolen by those that operate our counties. It is sad that there is no rationale in some of the expenditures that these county governments incur. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, yesterday in the dailies, there was a report of one county that spent Kshs10 million in legal fees to defend a case where the claim was just Kshs1 The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "million. That is why I say, it beats rational thinking in some of the things that our counties are doing, especially with legal fees. When we talk about unaccounted expenditure in our counties, that people have spent money without accounting for it, that is outright theft. I therefore would like to beseech this House to allow the Senate Standing Committee on Public Accounts to employ the services of Ethics and Anti-Corruption Committee (EACC) to ensure legal action is taken against these counties that are expending money in that careless manner. This is criminal offence and outright theft. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, pending bills is a cancer that has been eating all our counties and indeed also the national Government. That is why there is low circulation of money in the economy. Those that have these bills have borrowed loans, which they are not able to pay. If these pending bills are cleared, then everybody would smile all the way to the bank and to their homes, because there would be money in the economy. This is something that we need to arrest. Talking of Murang'a County where I come from, I think I would want to talk about the quality of work that counties do. There is a report of a septic tank in Maragua Level 4 Hospital that was completed but started leaking immediately, attracting claims from neighbours. Mafaya Dispensary in Gatanga Constituency ---"
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"content": "(Sen. Joe Nyutu’s microphone went off)"
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"content": " Last but not the least, Mr. Mandago, please, proceed."
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