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"content": "I also realised that most governors do not take keen interest in the audit process in their counties. In fact, a number of governors do not even engage with auditors at exit meetings. So, when most governors come to defend their county governments, they are completely unaware of what the technical people under them have done and the fact that a lot of documents have not been presented to auditors. That takes the Senate to act like an arbiter between auditors and county executives. As mentioned, a lot of county governments have issues with their property and equipment."
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"content": "Senator, your time is up."
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"speaker_name": "The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei)",
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"content": "Hon. Senators, I will allow two Members to make their contributions to this Motion. I will start with a Member who has not had an opportunity to speak in the day. Sen. Karungo Thang’wa."
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"content": "Thank you very much, Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity to support the Report."
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"content": "For purposes of housekeeping, Sen. Thang’wa, you have three minutes to make your comments to this Motion."
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"content": "Thank you. I am a former Member of this Committee and I was part of the team that scrutinised the reports. In support of this Report, municipalities were formed to devolve service delivery further. The problem we have encountered is that there is no political goodwill especially from governors. Governors are afraid that managers can provide better management of cities and municipalities than they can do. If governors were to let the law to take its course and let municipality boards and managers do their work, it would help counties to collect more own-source revenue. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "If you look at the County Governments Budget Implementation Review Report, first hand, 2024/2025, you will see that the own-source revenue performances for Kiambu, Bungoma, Kajiado, Kisumu, Bomet and Machakos counties, fell below the 20 per cent. However, if they were to give independence to the municipality boards and the managers in Kiambu, Kisumu and Machakos counties, we would not be talking about issues of own source revenue being below what they had projected to collect. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it is also good to note that the governors have not given resources to these boards. So, it is just a board with board members and managers, but they cannot execute any mandates because of lack of funds. In my opinion, as we talk about the autonomy of county assemblies and how the finances go to the county assemblies, we should also rethink of these municipalities. Perhaps, these boards or municipalities should also have their monies sent to them directly for them to actualize or give service delivery. They can also collect own-source revenue as per the---"
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"content": " Your time is up, Sen. Thang’wa. Hon. Members, from my dashboard, there is no Member who is keen on contributing to this particular Motion. I will, therefore, ask Sen. Osotsi, the Mover of the Motion to reply."
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"content": "(Sen. Onyonka spoke off record)"
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