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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. My supplementary question is in relation to what the Cabinet Secretary has said in terms of the assets. I asked for a The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "statement in September, 2024 on the issue of assets of the New KCC and the Cabinet Secretary committed to provide a list of them with their valuation, but we have not received it to date. We also know that the Kshs500 million that was paid was actually not commensurate to the value of the assets of KCC then. What is he doing as a Cabinet Secretary to secure the assets of the New KCC as they are? This is because we have a very rogue board. He knows what they were trying to do and what they wanted to do with the New KCC headquarters. He also knows about the Tetra Pak house and he also knows that the one in Ngong Road has already been leased out. What are you doing to secure the assets of the New KCC and when will you provide a comprehensive list of the assets of the New KCC?"
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"content": " Sen. Mungatana, please, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I was listening carefully to the answer that the hon. Cabinet Secretary was giving, and would like to draw his attention to the decision of the Court of Appeal when they negated the decision of the High Court that the workers do not have a right. You said something fundamental to that effect. You said that the Court of Appeal said, “Despite or aside from the legalities, please Attorney-General, find a way for these workers to be paid.” By the way, I am glad that you took it up and wrote a letter to the Attorney- General. However, the Court of Appeal is simply saying that there is no legal basis for the payment of these workers, but rather there is a moral basis. That is the ex-gratia payment is due and owing. So, why could you not call the litigants or their committee and agree? You could tell them this is what the court has said. This is the end of it. Why can we not agree on Kshs500,000 or Kshs200,000 per person, negotiate and seek the budget through a Cabinet Paper? Why start forming inter-ministerial committees? Why follow this long- sighted and winded process? Do you not think that is a way of trying to escape responsibility? Why not shorten this process, write a Cabinet Paper, get funding for it and pay these people? Why not do a shortcut for this matter to be resolved? The Senate is simply asking you to shorten the timelines to finish this matter? Why are you not able to? I submit."
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"content": " Sen. Veronica, please proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, hon. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity, I would like to welcome to the Senate, the Cabinet Secretary (CS) of Cooperatives and in MSMED. You have a big assignment in your hands, hon. CS. When I look at the answer that you have given us regarding claims and terminal dues by employees who were in KCC in 1999, I get concerned because when our citizens invest in assets, they believe to be co-owned by the Government, it is like a bond of guarantee. That they cannot lose their investment and their dividend. Mr. Speaker, Sir, when a dispute is this prolonged and it is affecting people who are not well able financially, it is not a good statement. In fact, the reason Kenyans invest in Treasury bills is because there is a guarantee to that Treasury bill returning dividends. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "So, CS, when do you think you can pay these former employees of KCC? Why has the new KCC refused to oblige to the directive of a minimum price guarantee of Kshs50 per litre, a complaint which has come from a county like Nyandarua? I spoke to a few residents from Nyandarua County whose milk is being sold below Kshs40? Why are we having that confusion when the policy guideline on the minimum guaranteed price for their milk should not be below Kshs50 to the farmer and Kshs3 for administrative cost? Why do we have those disparities?"
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"content": " Sen. Kisang’, please, proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have a supplementary question. I listened to the answers by the CS which are diplomatic. The CS said we may pay after the Cabinet sub-committee finishes its job and Parliament allocates the resources. However, I expected him to say, as the CS in charge of Cooperatives and MSMED, he will budget for this in financial year 2025/2026. The National Assembly appropriates a proposal that you have already given. They do not initiate the proposal. That is why the answers are basically diplomatic. As Sen. Mungatana said, basically this is a long way of delaying because many of those former employees of KCC have already passed on. Their children and spouses are the ones who have been waiting for the last 30 years. Alternatively, as a country, we can say instead of using the law to frustrate our people, can we auction the property for the New KCC? They are forming new companies to evade responsibility. I thank you."
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"content": " Sen. Orwoba, please proceed."
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