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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This matter on KCC was executed at the Senate Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, where I sit. I would like to ask a supplementary Question to Waziri because I have seen that in his response, he has put a chronological order of what transpired. From his response, you can see that there are three issues that are being highlighted. Number one, no one really knows how a company was sold on the basis of assets and profits, but liabilities were put aside. This is because we have engaged with the workers in the Senate Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. They were repeatedly informed that they were not part of the agreement and nothing to do with them was going to be absorbed in the New KCC. Much later when they went to court, which you have also listed here, you can see that there is a suit where the employees were told that they owed their dues. Are you aware that there has been conflicting communication to these employees? First, that they are not part of any kind of sale agreement. The second one, they were told that some of them will be absorbed. Some of them had even alluded and presented some things in the Senate Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare that they had been extended some offer letters on work and then suddenly they were dropped. Are you aware of that? Is it possible for Kenyans to see the documentation of the sale from KCC Limited to New KCC? This way, some of these questions would be answered, including the list of inventory of the assets and what was going to happen to the employees of KCC. Finally, as the Senate Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, we were against the interministerial working group or committee because there is nothing The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "that they will discuss that has not been discussed and proposed by us. In fact, the mandate of the interministerial committee has not been outlined and is not to the public. So, why do we have an interministerial committee just to buy time and continue to frustrate these Kenyans? I thank you."
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"content": " Hon. CS, you may now proceed to respond to those questions."
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"speaker_name": "Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya",
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"content": " Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I thank the Members for raising these pertinent issues. Hon. (Prof.) Kamar talked of staff and shares of the farmers. I would like to say that most of the staff of KCC that were suitable for employment were taken over by New KCC. Obviously, this has taken time. Many of them have actually retired. On the shares of the farmers of KCC, when the New KCC, through the Government put the shares of KCC, the Government paid off approximately Kshs500 million. This money was meant to compensate the 2,000 shareholders of KCC, which was a private company. I have clearly stated how the companies moved from one stage to the other. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have heard complaints from previous shareholders of the KCC even before it was bought by New KCC 2000, complaining about their shares."
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"content": "However, there is little that I can do at the moment because this particular company has already moved. I intentionally gave you the history of the company so that you can actually understand when I come up with other comments. Sen. Mbugua talked about six months having passed. It is clear and Sen. Mungatana has already said that these particular employees were not supposed to be compensated by the New KCC because the New KCC is a complete answer. However, because of the issue of moral responsibility, we thought these are Kenyans who have worked for all those years. Therefore, they need compensation even from the Government's point of view. I want to assure you that I will take up this issue seriously so that these people are compensated as soon as possible. In case I encounter problems, I will come back before this House to say that this is where I reached. These are the problems that I have encountered."
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"content": "Sen. Maanzo talked of ownership. I can clearly state here and this will also cover the questions raised by Sen. Mandago about assets. Assets were taken over. I am ready to come with a full inventory of the assets that were taken over. When I assumed office, I ordered a forensic audit on all the assets of the New KCC. I wrote a letter to the Auditor General. She was supposed to send staff to carry out that exercise, but unfortunately, up to this time she has not done so because of shortage of staff and other pressing engagements. I will make a follow-up so that a proper forensic audit is done. I will avail the detailed inventory list of all the assets that were taken over by the New KCC."
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"content": "The issue of governance in the cooperative movement is very rampant. I can say before this House that that is why we came up with the Cooperatives Bill, 2024. The The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Cooperatives Bill, 2024 has gone through the National Assembly and it is before this House. I want to plead with you that please let the Senate consider this legislation, the Cooperatives Bill, 2024 because if it is passed, it will deal with many of these governance issues. Governance issues of the cooperative movement have been adequately addressed in that particular Bill."
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"content": "On the issue of assets and valuation, I have promised that I will avail a comprehensive list on this and that I will also remind the office of the Auditor General to do a forensic audit so that both documents of the list which I have and the forensic audit, I will present it to the Senate."
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"content": "The issue of Sen. Mungatana about the moral responsibility of the Government to make sure that these people are paid, I will take the responsibility of making sure that these people are paid as soon as possible and within the timeframe. The issue of inter-ministerial relations was not the creation of the Ministry. This was a recommendation from the Attorney General. He recommended that we discuss as you might be aware, at that time, cooperatives, as the State Department was within the Ministry of Agriculture and Livestock. So, there might be some documents which are there and that is why they were being brought into the fold. Also, at the National Treasury, to make sure that this allocation is expedited for these staff to be paid."
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