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"content": " Hon. Speaker, both are my friends."
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"content": " Both are my friends. My neighbour, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, has asked a Question that requires a session for us to engage. The short answer to him is that as soon as I came to the Ministry, one of my decisions was to reorganise the National Police Reservists (NPRs) with a proper scheme of service and defined payments. The stipend should be appropriately determined with the command structure. We have a problem. If you heard me when I was answering Hon. Kangogo, some NPRs are misbehaving. They do not report to anybody. We will determine who qualifies to be an NPR, at what stage one can retire, as well as getting them uniform. In the areas where the NPRs are properly organised, they are doing a fantastic job. We want to borrow from the rangers in some of the conservancies in the country which have properly organised rangers. During my visit to Laikipia last week, I visited a few conservancies. I learnt how they properly organise the rangers because they are part of the NPRs. We would like to extend that to our NPRs. This will be a very important policy framework established by this administration, which should take care of our NPRs. If we organise them well, I do not doubt that we will have better results than the ones operating across the country, including creating a camp for them. Once I am ready, I will come back to either the Committee or the House. I thank the Committee and the Chairperson, who is here, for their Report on banditry, which was also captured. We will make sure that we deal with it. Hon. Speaker, there is also a Question by Hon. Kwenya. Other Members have asked it. Let me be brief. They asked where the list is and who will come first based on the criteria I had announced earlier. We will provide that list to you or through the Committee so that all of us can track it. I hope the interest shown here on the administrative units will cause the entire House to come to a consensus to get us resources to operationalise them once and for all so that there is no queue. There will be no favouritism or constituency being preferred over the other. We will quickly operationalise the areas where we have the worst security situation, even if they were gazetted late because we immediately need them to deal with the security issues. Hon. Speaker, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu asked the Question on chiefs and sub-chiefs of those areas. It falls within the same issue."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Speaker. That is part of the various constituencies that I had given the criteria earlier. Where there is such an anomaly, you quickly operationalise those ones so that you do not have two people doing the same job in the same area. Hon. Tonkei also asked the same Question on who would come first. That list can be provided. Hon. Farah Maalim asked the Question of security strategy in the North, in dealing with the enemy across. I do not wish to say we are not doing what he said because this is not the right forum to announce our security strategies. However, his comments are noted. I am sure they will be incorporated into the security strategies because we also work with the elected leaders in the local area. Hon. Speaker, in dealing with the NPR issue, we are also asking ourselves, in the policy, whether some of the chiefs can be licensed as NPRs so that they can carry guns. Some of them already do so in some parts of the country that I do not need to mention. Unfortunately, when you give the chiefs these guns in some of these insecure areas, they become targets, particularly for the sake of the gun itself. So, there is a flip side of the same argument, but we will deal with that. The chiefs are already trained. They have undergone paramilitary training, but we will be announcing this. The policy also talks about the Question of NPR. Can you train them once, give them ammunition, and then leave them? Or they should undergo a refresher training often after a The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "certain period that can be established. Again, that will also apply to the chiefs once we decide who will be licensed gun carriers. In any case, other civilians carry guns. Therefore, that is not unique, including Members of Parliament who have been licensed to carry a firearm. It is not unique to say a chief is licenced to carry a firearm. Hon. Speaker, Hon. Nicholas Ng’ikor Ngikolong asked a question about Special Forces to fight banditry. If we were to create a special force to deal with banditry or cattle rustling, which affects more than half of the country, and as you all know, from Lamu to Endebess, that is more than half of the nation, in terms of land size, what would the police be doing? We already have other special forces like the Anti-Stock Theft Unit (ASTU). We have the GSU and all these formations. We should spend our time now to resource the police. I request that we continue supporting the National Police Service in their modernisation programme. What was done in the last one and a half years is modernisation; that is, getting the Mine Resistance Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles and giving them protective gear, which has borne results. This plan is to go on for four years. In this financial year, because of financial constraints, that plan has slowed. I request that we support the plan to resource the police officers. As I promised, we will also use modern technology, particularly drones, which will help us in surveillance and answer Hon. Makilap’s questions about what else we can do in the affected areas like Loruk and other places. If we can enhance surveillance by using drones, we will use fewer police officers but greater response when technology is applied. Hon. Speaker, Hon. Naisula asked why we cannot prioritise the Question of security considerations when operationalising these administrative units. Again, as I said, that is our number one consideration. Considering what is going on in Samburu at the moment, our number one priority is to do as much as we can to bring the Government closer to the people. That should be done as well for Tiaty Constituency to ensure that the Government is closer to the source of some of the banditry in Samburu, Tiaty, Turkana, Elgeyo Marakwet, West Pokot, and other parts. Hon. Cherorot mentioned something very important here. Very few people know that there is an administrative structure in the counties. You know this very well, Hon. Speaker, because we drafted this law while we were in the Senate to create Village Councils for the counties. As a result of that law, very few counties have operationalised the Village Council. It is only Samburu that has it. In the National Government, we are trying to propose the village elders and see how they can work together with the administrative units. At the same time, there are the village councils in county governments. Because of resource constraints, counties are unable to create the village council because there are more than ten people who are called to establish it. During the process of looking at these village elders issues, it needs to be harmonised. That law, together with the village elders' issue, needs to be harmonised so that we can benefit from the resource. It also needs to be harmonised with the Nyumba Kumi strategy so that we know where the village elder would be in the structure and that this can work properly to provide resources. Hon. Speaker, I also look forward to all of us providing this solution both in terms of our friend, the late Hon. Malulu Injendi's proposal, which Members of this House shall progress the way you will guide. We are also working on the regulations. We are still working on the rest of the administrative units to see if that can be achieved. This covers the same Question by Hon. Umulkher Mohamed on the National Police Reservist (NPR) attack. Criminals from neighbouring countries target the NPR because of the guns and ammunition. They know that the NPR has been instrumental in dealing with crime and know their local routes. Unfortunately, our NPR were attacked during this period. These terrorist groups operate by looking for a significant period for them to do something significant. There was heightened activity around Ramadhan because intelligence reports were already there indicating that they wanted to take advantage of that period. We are The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "always alert to anniversaries of other attacks that have happened in the past because we know they would like to use those opportunities to make a statement and instil fear in the country. As I said earlier, our security forces are up to the task. Unfortunately, because of these targeted attacks on chiefs and NPR, we have lost some of them. At the same time, a few of them have found themselves in Somalia. Everything is being done to address this issue. The Question by my friend, Hon. Parashina, is the same. He wanted transparency on the distribution of the ones being operationalised now and those coming after. The Question is still the same, and as I said, the information will be given. Hon. Pukose raised another issue. We have a problem with police vehicles and administrative units’ vehicles for our administrators across the country. At the moment, there is an acute shortage because as we continue operationalising, there are chiefs who do not have motorbikes, Assistant County Commissioners (ACCs) who do not have vehicles or motorbikes and sub-county Deputy County Commissioners who do not have vehicles, and so forth. The police leasing program also applies to police officers. Many police stations do not have vehicles because either the leasing period ended or their vehicles were destroyed. For example, in the case of Laikipia, the Police Commander's vehicle was burned by some people pretending to be protesting and making a statement that they were of a particular generation. Unfortunately, they burnt the County Commander's vehicle, and now he does not have a vehicle to respond to issues of banditry. We are working on a leasing program with the National Treasury. Again, we will bring this proposal to Parliament for the next financial year. Part of it needs to be supported to ensure we increase the number of vehicles. We are targeting 5,000, giving some to our National Government Administration Officers (NGAOs) and others to police stations. We would like to see these police stations properly operating and having proper vehicles for proper response. With this equipment, we will have a greater response. Hon. Pukose, we were hoping that by July or August, this leasing program would have worked and the vehicles delivered. I hope we will do so to increase the mobility of our security forces. Hon. Hassan, I am aware. We discussed with you the issue of insecurity at Majengo. Unfortunately, during an operation that was meant to flush out gangs that were dealing with drugs, the operation went wrong at some point, and two people lost their lives. Investigations are ongoing. Since I did not know you were going to ask this Question, I would like to go back to the National Police Service (NPS) and find out exactly how far the investigation is and what has been done so far. However, I am aware that there was that incident at Kamukunji, and we will work on it. I want to thank Hon. Hassan. One of the things we enjoy about his Constituency is the"
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