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"content": "(Hon. Okello consulted Hon. Atandi in high tones)"
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"content": "Protect me from the Member of Nyando who has just walked in. He should listen to us. Hon. Temporary Speaker, one of the most contentious issues when it comes to the division of revenue between the national and county governments is…"
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"content": " Hon. Member for Nyando, you will consult the Chair of Budget and Appropriations Committee, Hon. Samuel Atandi, in a low tone, particularly when we are transacting an important business on the Division of Revenue Bill. You cannot address him in that language that is not known to the House."
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"content": "Thank you. Proceed, Hon. Mutuse. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": " Thank you for the protection and guidance. I was on the constitutional foundation upon which we are discussing the Division of Revenue Bill. I want to narrow myself to the most contentious bit, which is the quantum of money that each level of Government is to get. Article 203 (2) of our Constitution is the basis for the arithmetical sharing of resources. The operative words in that particular Article are that: “For every Financial Year, the equitable share of the revenue raised nationally that is allocated to county governments shall be not less than fifteen per cent of all revenue collected by the national government in terms of the most recent audited accounts as approved by the National Assembly.” I ably listened to my senior colleague, the Member for Kitui Central, Hon. Makali, who suggested that it is plausible to imagine that we can amend the Constitution to remove the part that talks about approval by the National Assembly. I want to respectfully disagree with him. It will be a misnomer if revenue is shared without the involvement of the National Assembly because we are the people’s representatives. I also reckon that the most recent audited accounts of our revenues are those of the 2020/2021 Financial Year. That means that we are three years behind. I have been a member of the Public Accounts Committee for the last two years. I can speak from experience that the Public Accounts Committee is one of the committees that is committed to duty. The reason why we are lagging is when accounting officers from the national Government are invited as witnesses before the Public Accounts Committee and, many times, they have excuses and do not provide the necessary documentation. It is high time the office of the Auditor-General, the Public Accounts Committee, this House and principal secretaries in the national Government ministries began to take this work seriously. It forms the basis of the reports tabled by the Public Accounts Committee, which in turn form the basis for the division of revenue. Allow me to delve further into arithmetic. The National Treasury, through this Bill that my able Chair has moved, is proposing that county governments get a share of revenue amounting to Ksh405 billion. The last audited accounts put national revenue at about Ksh2,830,000,000. If you do quick arithmetic, you will realise that the revenue share going to county governments is about 25.9 per cent of the revenue raised nationally. Therefore, it is 10 per cent above the minimum standard set by the Constitution. I am saying this so that Members of this House can tell the propaganda that may be spewed in many quarters outside there. The revenue that the National Treasury has proposed is above the minimum standard proposed by the Constitution. However, there is a need for us to work with speed. We need to work speedily so that we do not have to deal with a backlog or revenue-sharing formula three years behind in the future. We should only deal with the current version."
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"content": "In conclusion, when I did my Master’s Degree in Law, I wrote a thesis about enhancing good governance in devolved systems of governance. I researched a lot about good governance in our devolved systems of governance. Therefore, I want to join my sister, who spoke immediately before me and said that it is important that we insist on prudent expenditure of resources at both levels of Government. This is because one of the measures of bad governance is lack of development. One of the measures of good governance is a change in the living standards of our people. We want the monies allocated to our devolved systems of Government and the national Government to be felt directly by the people. We do not want our monies to go into the pockets of a few people and cartels. We want our people to be motivated to pay their taxes because they see returns from the monies that they pay."
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"content": "I sincerely thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support the Bill that my able Chairperson, Hon. Atandi, has tabled."
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"content": " Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"speaker_name": "Seme, ODM",
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support the Division of Revenue Bill and to congratulate the new Chairperson and Committee Members. We are discussing the Division of Revenue Bill on how we share revenue. The allocation to the county governments should be 15 per cent of the total revenue raised nationally, but what we have here is different. We can determine if that requirement has been met. The Explanatory Memorandum stipulates that the baseline is what we gave to the counties last year. We then adjust for growth. That is the formula we used, which is shown in Table 1 under Clause 6. The Schedule indicates the last audited accounts. If we do the arithmetic, we may think that we are okay and that we have done well because the percentage of total revenue that the counties will receive is higher than 15 per cent, but that is not the formula we used."
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