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"speaker_name": "Suna East, ODM",
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"content": "The young Senators who are my agemates and contemporaries should vie to be governors or Members of the National Assembly in the next election, so that they do not feel bad and misused, or that their energy is not being utilised in their prime. Come to the National Assembly, where you will deal with budgetary issues including taxation, appropriation and issues that concern constituencies as well as issues of national concern, not just issues that concern counties. Issues that concern counties include burial permits, how to bury pets when they die, sewage and water issues. Those are the issues that concern the counties. Let us stick to our lanes. With those few remarks, I oppose this Motion."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is the longest I have had to wait to speak. I agree with Hon. Junet, who is my friend, on all he has said. The Senate amendments to the Houses of Parliament (Bicameral Relations) Bill are all in bad faith and must be rejected. I have said it before, and I will repeat that in 236 years, the Senate in the United States of America (USA) has never sued the House of Representatives and vice versa. Whenever a citizen has gone to court to get those two Houses to fight, the courts have declined and stated that it is not their province or jurisdiction. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "The first sin in this case was when the High Court in 2013 adjudicated what the National Assembly and the Senate would each handle. It was wrong and I am happy that the Supreme Court has now set the record straight. Good practice, neatness and cordiality require that the two Houses should never have to sue each other. They should never have to take each other to court because we are adults. These are the highest law-making bodies in the country. We form the most powerful arm of the Government because we can impeach a president. We impeached a deputy president just the other day. We cannot demonstrate bad manners by suing each other in court. I agree with what the Supreme Court decided. I also believe that there was a misunderstanding when we started implementing devolution. Some people gave themselves the job of ‘protecting devolution’ or ‘protecting counties.’ If you look at how much money the counties spend on legal fees, how much money the Council of Governors spends on legal fees, and how much money Parliament has spent on legal fees, you realise that there is so much smoke and no heat. That causes confusion, creating a situation where people think that we are fighting and yet there is nothing to fight about. As we move forward, I want to challenge the Senate that 13 years since the implementation of devolution, there is no county which has running water in every homestead. There is no county where you will find uniform service in every dispensary. There is none. There is no county where agriculture is being run well. We have allowed the county governments to replicate the structures of the national Government. They have cabinet secretaries, principal secretaries and directors. They then come crying to us about how they have no money to spend. Why would the county governments have structures similar to those of the national Government? There is so much that the Senate could make laws on. I hear the Senate talk about our military and foreign relations, yet there is a lot that does not work in the counties. As Hon. Junet has just said, the Senate has so much power, but they do not use it, yet they want to amass more. It is not their province. I am happy with what has been said this afternoon. Devolution is meant to help people make decisions at the grassroot level. I am certain that three-quarters of the 47 governors in Kenya live in Nairobi. You will meet them in Nairobi almost every week, either at the Senate or just loitering around Nairobi."
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"content": "The National Assembly must descend into that arena. We cannot close our eyes anymore and leave it to the Senate. This Assembly must discipline how counties work. In fact, I want to request the leaders of the Majority and Minority parties to start doing the work of the Senate since the Senate has been taking over the responsibilities of the National Assembly. We should start overseeing the work of the counties and ensure that the Senate is doing its work. If not, we will start summoning the governors. The governors should appear before the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs to answer questions on legal affairs. If they cannot answer questions on how they use their money, the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) should summon them because the Senate has refused to do its work. The Supreme Court has done something commendable. I hope their ruling will end this cat and mouse drama. I hope it will end the catfights because as you may be aware, we just finished the process of unbundling the functions of the National Assembly and the Senate last month. How I wish the Senate could push for the costing of those functions and ensure that funds are allocated towards their implementation. We have seven commissioners in the Commission on Revenue Allocation (CRA), whose only job is to work on a formula of distributing money between the national Government and the county governments. It is their only job, and they are full-time commissioners. The Senate is just watching. The work of entrenching devolution in this country requires forethought and deep understanding of the work The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "that is needed. It also requires a Senator to sit back and know what they can do to ensure that the county governments work well. When teachers are being employed, Senators want to get involved. When we are doing housing policy, they want to get involved. When we are sending police to Haiti, they want to get involved. There is so much to be done in the counties. Sports are almost dead. Our industries will be mounted. This country will grow on the back of industrial development in the counties. I request the Senate and my friend Senators that they will do well in having a model law on health for the counties to follow. They will do well in having a model law on agriculture for the counties to follow. They will do well in having proper sports law for the counties to emulate so that they can develop sports and work with sports. They will do well in having a proper law to guide Early Childhood Development (ECD) and early childhood learning. They will do well in ensuring that the county governments they have today are planning their counties well. The county governments require guidance. It is the role of the Senate to ensure guidance is given. I request the Senate to read the Constitution and get to know what their functions are. Can they, for a single moment, work on their functions so that the county governments can work well? As I yield the Floor, I want to request the two Speakers of our Houses not to get distracted on the journey they have started to ensure that we are not going to court again. Do not get distracted by cordiality. Finally, I also request the management of Parliament to ensure that we do not spend any more cent and time in supporting any court cases between these Houses of Parliament. I yield. Thank you."
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"content": " Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. Before I delve on the matter of the Supreme Court, allow me to pass my condolences to the passing of..."
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