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"content": " Order! Let him conclude. Proceed, Sen. Abass."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the previous Speaker was forcefully removed from the office and the Chamber. He was even injured. Therefore, he has run The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "away because of fear for his life and that of his team. So, they hold their meetings in other places."
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"content": " Can you conclude, Sen. Olekina?"
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sen. Abass is my colleague and so when he informs me, I have to take it seriously. However, one thing that worries me, and this is one of the things that I am trying to bring to the attention of this House, is that when we have the two county assemblies operating in one county - and this one says it is a county assembly - it is illegal. So, really, we have to look at it this way: The Speaker of this House sits on that Chair, having been elected by the Members of this House. So, if the Members of this House decide to forcefully remove a Speaker, how can the Clerk of the Assembly go ahead and gazette another county assembly? This is a matter that the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations should not tolerate, those gazette notices. Sittings of county assemblies and sittings of the Senate must be held in a venue which is recognized. Remember, we passed budgets of county assemblies for them to build their headquarters. So, then, how do we continue saying we need to collect more money to support those counties, yet people are going to sit under a tree to conduct their proceedings? This is something that we really should be very careful about otherwise, tomorrow, some of us might decide that we are not happy with the Speaker, we forcefully remove him there and then we have a separate sitting and divide this House. Come on, it does not work like that. So, these are two very important issues that we must address as a Senate of the Republic of Kenya. The issue of Isiolo County is something very important, and all of us must remember that when we are given responsibilities, chief officers are tasked with the fiduciary responsibility. Now, who is responsible in that county any more? The chief officers are the ones who deal with the day-to-day operations. If you talk about CECs, those are political appointees. Those are people to guide on terms of policy, but then, who implements that? A chief officer is like a Principal Secretary. So, these are things that we need to be very serious about. Other agencies, even the Attorney-General's Office and the National Treasury, must also be aware of the fact that there is a problem in Isiolo County. Deal with it. Let us deal with it. There is a problem in Nyamira County. If we keep sitting here and our committees do not take the matter seriously, then, of course, we will be making a fool of ourselves. I will end by reminding our colleagues that we are the House of union. All these problems that we are facing as a country, even the issues about drama and students, the role that we should take is that we should attempt to unite those agencies that are fighting. Those students are our children. If we unite those children and also try not to expose our children to controversial things, we have to remember that we are here and whatever we do, our children are learning. Let us be good teachers. I thank you. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Sen. Omogeni, this House can benefit from hearing from the Senator representing that particular county, which has issues and I have repeated myself several times on this. The Senator for West Pokot is here to represent the interests of West Pokot County. We should hear from the Senator representing a county that has issues, the way Sen. Dullo represents Isiolo County. Sen Omogeni, your colleagues should benefit from your information and knowledge concerning that particular issue in Nyamira County. Of course, not everybody was at the inquiry on Tuesday. Not all Senators were there, but I want to give you three minutes to bring us up to speed especially on the issues in Nyamira and what is happening. I know you have tasked the Committee to do that, but you wanted to inform the Chairperson. So, I want you to take three minutes so that this House can benefit from hearing from you as the Senator for Nyamira County."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Of course, you are right that the people of the great County of Nyamira are looking at their Senator and the 67 other Senators to find a solution that is within the confines of the law. I thank the Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, who is seized of this matter, but I want to agree fully with Sen. Olekina. People cannot come to this House and tell us that there are cases filed in court and that we ran away from our responsibilities. If you remember the Solomonic decision by former Speaker, Hon. Kenneth Marende, there were court cases, but that did not prevent Speaker Marende from stepping in and making a decision of the House to be known to the whole country. First, the two parties were heard before the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, though there was inadequacy of time. One faction is of the view that they did not get adequate opportunity to present their case. This is a very simple matter. We are allocating money to the County Government of Nyamira. That confusion is creating an opportunity for those who want to siphon money from that county to do it in an easy way. If we were to be candid, by now the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) and the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) should be camping in Nyamira. Some of the things that have happened in Nyamira need an intervention that can lead to some people being sent to jail. Even if we disagree with His Excellency the President, there is no way you will wake up one day and gazette the sittings of this House to be held elsewhere. We fight here on this Floor. Everybody knows where the precincts of the County Assembly of Nyamira are. The Governor gazetted it at the beginning of the term. Chairperson, I want you to be bold. You are here to serve the interests of the people of the greater County of Nyamira, not the impeached Speaker, not the Governor or I as Senator. Look at the interests of the people of Nyamira. If you have been impeached, you know it. We did impeach the Governor for Meru County. She went to court, got an order and we respected that order. Once the court vacated the order, she left office. In the case of Nyamira County - and I am sorry that even the Council of Governors (CoG) is unable to grasp very mundane issues of law - the Speaker was The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "impeached on 24th October, 2024 and a resolution of the Assembly was brought before the Committee. After the impeachment, the Speaker who was impeached moved to court and filed a case, Petition No.1 before the Labour and Employment Court in Kisii and sought conservatory orders from the court. The court heard him and made a pronouncement. The court said, we will not give you conservatory orders, serve and come back. Why is my Chairman, Sen. Abass, feeling jittery about just coming to report to the House that this is the situation? If you go to court, you seek to get a conservatory order on a resolution passed by a House, and you do not get a conservatory order, what is the effect? The effect is that you remain impeached. If you get an order from court, everybody, I included, will be bound by that decision. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in conclusion, if the Chairperson feels this matter is too hot for him, it can be referred back to the Plenary of the Committee of the Whole. However, one way or another, the people of Nyamira are eager to see how the Senate of the Republic of Kenya will pronounce itself on this issue. Therefore, I urge my colleague Senators to ensure that we remain a House that can be relied upon by both the county assemblies and the executives---"
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"content": " Thank you. I believe you have been heard very well."
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