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"content": "Yes, you have already spoken to it on a point of order and listened to you. So, let Sen. Cherarkey conclude."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have agreed to her advice. All I am saying is that all leaders, including women and Sen. Eddy, who is a young man and even the presidential aspirant, Sen. Okiya Omtatah, should be responsible and respectful. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, as it is our norm and culture, I am requesting you as the Speaker of this House to convene the meeting with the two waheshimiwa and elders from Garissa County to ensure that the matter is resolved amicably. That is the leadership we want. Finally, the issue of Governor Natembeya must be dealt with preciously. He should tread carefully. We know Mt. Elgon has been a conflict area. I want to challenge the National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) to look into the inflammatory statements of incitement that the Governor is making. I know he wants to score points by attacking the President. I can assure you that before the end of this year, from the way he is operating with arrogance and promoting tribalism in Trans Nzoia County, he will be impeached. We shall come and confirm that he is impeached like the former Governo for Meru County, Hon. Kawira Mwangaza. He is operating like the former Governor Kawira Mwangaza. She promoted strife and disorder in Meru County. That is what sent her home. I can see Governor Natembeya using the same strategy of bringing strife and division within Trans Nzoia County. Some of us have relatives in Trans Nzoia County. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Trans Nzoia is a cosmopolitan County. He should only stick to matters of the county and stop playing national politics. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to ask the Inter-Governmental Technical Relations Committee (IGTRC) to assist this deputy governor to ensure that she has access. This is a woman leader that should be respected. If you are leading a county and you are undermining a woman who is your deputy, you give some women two kilogrammes of maize seeds and fertilizer, but you discriminate others, how do you expect to lead the country? I am told he is even issuing fertilizer and maize seeds based on tribe. As I conclude seconding this Motion, I congratulate the Committee for the job well done. I hope the IGTRC and the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations will continue giving their views on this matter. The House should give a view on this matter. Let us also ensure the Deputy Governor of Siaya County also has unlimited access to his office. The Deputy Governor of Kisii County, Hon. Moda, was impeached. Finally, I want to say that this country is very critical. We should protect our children as per Article 53 of our Constitution. I want to advise the country that Article 53 of our Constitution says that we shall not exploit our children. Unfortunately, some politicians are using our children to perpetuate political contests. What we are seeing in the Echoes of War, directed by the former Senator of Kakamega County, is just using our children to do political contest. If you look at Circular No.14 of 2018, the TSC directed and even Mwalimu, Sen. Wafula is here, somebody who is not a teacher should not be allowed to access the school. The leadership and management of Butere Girls High School must be called to order. The TSC must be called to order. How can you allow a stranger to enter a school to train children and he is not a teacher? It is very unfortunate and unconstitutional. For us who went to good schools like Kapsabet Boys High School, we should use drama festivities to further cohesiveness and stability in our schools. With those many remarks, I beg to second."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, we will now open this Motion for contribution. Sen. Gloria Orwoba, you may proceed."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity and for not allowing Sen. Eddy Oketch to direct you on who should speak. I would like to add my voice to this Motion because it is on matters that touch on devolution. There have been a lot of things going on in our counties. To be honest, sometimes I see Senators coming here trying to highlight us and inform the public of all the monkey business that is going down in some counties. Some of us, Senators, because we do not come from Isiolo, Nyamira, Meru or whichever county that has been having all these issues, we feel as though it is not a The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "matter that concerns us. As I have said before in this House, today it might be Nyamira County, but tomorrow, it might be the county that you are representing here. I have been listening to the Chairperson of the Committee in charge of Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations as he gave this report and informed the House on matters Nyamira. I want to throw in my words in terms of a point of information. I come from Kisii County. We are neighbours with Nyamira County. We always joke that when Nyamira County grows up, they will become Kisii County. So, we are closely following what is happening there. I am always of the opinion that if there is one committee that should be resourced and supported 150 per cent by this House, it is the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. Before we have all these disputes of whether it is a Speaker, a governor or a deputy governor being impeached, I always ask what has the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations done? We were hearing rumours of all sorts of things happening in Nyamira County because there is a lot of craziness down there. I always ask: Where is the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations in this? Are they sitting in Bunge Tower conducting meetings or have they decided to go to Nyamira County to understand the situation as it is? If there are two sections of the county assembly, how did that even happen? To sit here and be informed that there is a Clerk of a County Assembly that has put out a gazette notice and it is now contradicting whatever it is that we are defending here as devolution? I have been on record talking about rogue agents in the county assemblies and in both our Houses; the National Assembly and the Senate. It is just now creeping into the county assemblies where now you have people who feel that they have more control over the stipulated procedures of the county assembly. I think as much as the Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations has come here to give us the report and to inform us on what is happening, I suggest this Committee be giving us monthly updates on what is going on in these county assemblies. I have heard Sen. Dullo repeatedly bring statement after statement on how their governor is unavailable. Nobody knows where the Governor of Isiolo County is. This Governor has been summoned to appear before different committees, but has never appeared. How can this Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental be empowered further so that some of the problems we are seeing in the county assemblies are dealt with? As my Chairperson of the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare stood, he tried to give some information to the Chairperson of the Senate Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. Today, I learnt something very important when we were executing a petition in the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. One of the senior legal counsel who was entangled in that petition was trying to argue that we cannot dispense a matter in the committee that is active in court. I learnt that under Standing Order No.98 of the Senate Standing Orders, if the matter touches on human rights and the public interest, it can be prosecuted at the committee level without prejudicing ongoing court proceedings. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, in light of this, I wonder why the issue of Nyamira County is being handled as though the Senate, as the “Upper House” in charge of devolution, lacks the power to intervene and impose strict measures, including writing to the National Treasury to withhold funds being sent to Nyamira County. As I add my voice to this matter, I must notify this House that it is unfortunate that, most of the time, when we discuss devolution matters, there are barely enough chairpersons present."
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"content": "(Sen. Madzayo consulted with the Temporary Speaker)"
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to get your attention on this because you also sit in the Senate Business Committee (SBC). Perhaps Sen. Justice Madzayo should allow you to focus on my points. I appeal to this House to ensure that when the Liaison Committee deliberates on resource allocation, committees like the Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations be allocated adequate resources to address pressing issues. I am glad that despite the back and forth happening in the House, the Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations has remained level-headed and executed his mandate regarding the challenges faced by Nyamira County and other counties. Today, we sit in this House as Senators, deliberating on how to protect devolution and address issues arising in county assemblies. However, I must point out that some of us have ambitions to vie for higher positions, such as gubernatorial seats. As we navigate this learning curve of county assembly matters, we must legislate with the understanding that we will not remain in the Senate forever. Some of us will transition to county assemblies as governors. We already have former governors in this House, such as Sen. Mandago."
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