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"content": "I thank you."
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"content": " Thank you. Next is Sen. Eddy Oketch."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. We have a committee report here where my attention has been drawn to pages 13 and 14. If you are on the tablet, perhaps you can go to pages 21 and 22. This is on the issue of the Deputy Governor of Trans Nzoia, Hon. Philomena Kapkory and other stakeholders who were involved."
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"content": "The deputy governor reached out to the Intergovernmental Budget and Economic Council (IBEC) through the Deputy President. That letter was copied to this House through the Speaker of the Senate. The foundation claim that was put forward by the Deputy Governor of Trans Nzoia County was that her life is under serious threat. When she came back from the United States (US), she found that there were a lot of targets on her personal life. Those threats were more explicitly communicated through a staffer of the Governor. Therefore, she sought for an intervention that could give her reprieve. The first observation made by the Committee is that there was a simmering rift between the governor and deputy governor. However, though both of them did not indicate explicitly so that they have a major conflict between them. The second observation in so far as the report is concerned, because I want to confine myself to the report, is that the work of the deputy governor had significantly been impacted by the communication breakdown between her and the governor. So, there was an issue of communication breakdown. The governor and his deputy are saying that they do not have a dispute between them. However, the Committee observed that there was a serious communication breakdown between the two. The deputy governor who constitutionally is supposed to assist the governor in executing his or her mandate yet they are not communicating. It behooves me to conclude The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "that in that lack of communication, whether deliberate or otherwise, it indicates that there is a conflict. The third observation is that the ongoing rift between the governor and the deputy governor is fueling ethnic animosities among the communities in Trans Nzoia County. This is not a light observation. We are in a country where we have seen political mobilisation along ethnic lines bringing this country down. We observed that in 2007 when there was political tension on a claimed rigged election leading to tribal clashes whose magnitude we still remember to date. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it will interest you to know that the Governor of Trans Nzoia, Hon. Natembeya, comes from the Luhya Community, while the Deputy Govenor, Hon. Philomena, comes from the Kalenjin Community. In Trans Nzoia, Kalenjin and Luhya communities are quite sizeable. If the conflict is bringing some tribal animosities that the Committee of this House observed, I do not think we should waste the time of this House to not discuss the depth of that problem. The fourth observation is that the NCIC started an investigation on the matter, but never concluded so that the Committee gives us their input. You have heard me complaining here a number of times that the NCIC like the EACC and other independent commissions that are supposed to do oversight role or execute in terms of dealing with issues such as corruption, never get anywhere. What that observation tells you is that it is this House that must conclude the problem that we are seeing in Trans Nzoia County. We should not leave it to the NCIC or any other independent commission hoping that they will address the issue. Lastly, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Committee observed that the Governor of Trans Nzoia was very much willing to have the working relationship with the deputy governor restored. That is a contradiction. The same Governor who said there is no dispute between the two of them now wishes that their relationship is restored. Even going further to state that the issues impacting their relationships could be solved amicably to have them run the county smoothly. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my observation tells us that we, as a country, are constantly going to face an imminent challenge of deputy governors and governors never going to find a working formula. We have complained in this House when we observe that the deputy governor and governor positions are sometimes about who controls what numbers and not necessarily who can work with the other. In some instances, we have seen a good working relationship. It is becoming clearer that this constant conflicts between deputy governors and the governors that is making counties constantly untenable. This thing is problematic because there are instances where a governor will spend more resources than his deputy governor. As a result of this kind of conflict, it becomes an avenue of even some governors are being impeached so that their deputies can take over. We are lucky that we have two former governors in this House who are foundational to devolution and did not experience this. They manage their relationship very well. We can glean some moral from them; that is, Sen. Mandago and Governor Sen. Ali Roba. They did quite well in terms of how to manage their deputies. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "In this House, we have observed a number of impeachments that have been pushed towards us. Some did not succeed. We know that in Meru recently, one of the only seven female governors, G7, which is something we should have celebrated, was ousted. This was because of tensions. During the three impeachment Motions, she indicated to this House that one of the reasons why she was facing a lot of problems in her county of Meru was because of a constrained relationship, more generally with chauvinistic male leaders in her county, but particularly, she had a problem with her own deputy. It is a matter of record. We also saw in Siaya County that when the Deputy Governor of Siaya appeared in this House over an impeachment issue, there was a serious problem between him and the governor. These problems do not just come from nowhere. They come from lack of clear delineation of what a deputy governor should do. The Constitution gives us a blanket guidance that they are supposed to assist the governor in dealing with their roles. However, when you are assisting, you need resources."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Abdul Haji",
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"content": " What is your point of order?"
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"content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for Sen. Eddy to allege that the leaders, especially the men from Meru, are chauvinists? Does it mean that the MCAs who came to this Floor of the House and did what they did were chauvinists? Can he substantiate that the men from Meru are chauvinists?"
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"content": "On a point of information."
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