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"speaker_name": "Funyula, ODM",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this amendment might be well-intentioned, but it has all the hallmarks of fraud being committed. We will have people who will become professional caregivers just to live and hang on vulnerable persons. They will be unpaid, deficient and unsupported caregivers. They can be beneficiaries of existing social protection programmes. I foresee a situation of having hangers-on around the vulnerable persons who purport to be caregivers without any formal training or need of social protection. I ask the Chairperson of the Department Committee on Social Protection to relook at this amendment to avoid setting a dangerous precedent. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Well, let us give other Members a chance to speak. Hon. David Bowen, Member for Marakwet East."
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairlady, with all due respect to my good friend and Chairperson of the Committee, Hon. Alice, this amendment is not good. Like Hon. Oundo has just said, it will be subject to abuse, unless it is clearly defined elsewhere who those caregivers are. I ask her to withdraw this amendment and then we look at it at a future time when it will be clearly defined."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Hon. James Nyikal."
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"content": " When we are dealing with severely disabled persons, whom are we supporting? Is it the caregiver or the severely disabled person? I believe there is a clear definition in this Bill. We should make sure that a caregiver is defined in the procedure and regulations of this Bill. It should be one person who takes care of you, but not all the people who sit with you. That is what is intended here. I support the amendment with the inclusion of that provision. Otherwise, it can be abused, but with that provision, it will work."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): Thank you, Hon. Nyikal. I would like to give the final opportunity to the Chairperson before I put the Question."
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"speaker_name": "Thika Town, UDA",
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"content": " Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we will define a caregiver in the regulations. Those people always give care to the vulnerable, but nobody cares about them. They are trained because you need skills to deal with children with cerebral palsy or those who are totally disabled. Nobody talks about them. That is why we are talking about them in this Bill. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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"content": "(Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to)"
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"content": "(Clause 28 as amended agreed to) Clause 29"
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai): We have an amendment. Hon. Ng’ang’a, proceed."
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