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"content": " Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr.) Mutua): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I request the indulgence of Sen. Mbugua on the second Question. I missed the last bit. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "In the absence of the performance indicator, how has your Ministry been monitoring the inclusion of PwDs in all sectors as mandated to do? Thank you."
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"content": "(Hon. (Dr.) Mutua): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir and Sen. Mbugua. Some of the alternative ways of monitoring have been through what we call performance appraisal. They have been in the forms of performance appraisal of Human Resource officers and also leaders of certain sections. You asked how we have been doing this. That is part of the system. However, as I said, there needs to be a better and improved system. After the Disability Act was passed, we agreed during a Senate Labour and Social Protection Committee meeting to sit with my officers and Sen. Crystal Asige within the next four weeks, so that we could go through modules of how to enforce and ensure some of these performance issues are indicated. Also, how data is collected because one of the challenges we face in this country is getting proper data. There is no proper system of even telling us how many PwDs are in our country. No good research has been done. We need to agree on a tool. One of the tools used is called the Washington Model from our cultural experience. The tool being used is heavily borrowed from the West. We have to come up with our tool. I assure this House and Sen. Mbugua that within a very short time, we will come up with proper systems, not only for the public service, but also for the private sector. The public service may be complying, but the private sector may not be complying. The other thing you asked is about the performance indicators we have been using. I think I have answered that in the first question. It has been a challenge. When I got to this Ministry, I found that a lot of things are in theory and not implemented. The challenge we have with the public service all over the world, especially in this country, is that a lot of things are put in theory and books, but are not implemented. It is part of the process that we are going through. Thank you."
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Mumma."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me the opportunity to ask a question. I will begin by declaring interest. I am a parent of a person with a disability, so I take these issues very seriously. Also, indulge me for just a minute to say that I have read through this question very carefully and I am afraid it is very underwhelming. The Cabinet Secretary has not responded, but is scattering around. He is vague, trying to justify why an indicator has been removed, talking about beliefs, not giving any statistics to show that he has the competence as the department related with matters on disability to guide on the questions that he has been provided with. There are many questions I could ask, but I am only allowed to ask one. Which tools has the Ministry used to guide them in measuring disability inclusion? You said your department has continued to use the indicator while the other MDA’s are not using it. Can you submit those tools to us? Thank you."
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Boni. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to draw the attention of the Cabinet Secretary to the five per cent figure. Going by the example in this House; the House is expected to be properly constituted when we have at least two Senators living with disability. The Speaker would never start the House unless that provision was made. In your case, it is five per cent. You are giving the country the go-round, while talking about circulars and all manner of things that you have said. This failure by yourself and your Ministry in this issue of five per cent is a reflection of your failure in the employment of our youth outside the country. Those youth knew that you were coming. They are demanding of you, which I now do, that you resign as the Cabinet Secretary of the Ministry. Are you willing to do so, so that you can be properly investigated?"
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"content": " Cabinet Secretary, you can totally disregard that Statement by Sen. Boni. It has got nothing to do with what has brought you before this House. Hon. Senators, let us stick to our Standing Orders. Ask supplementary questions, which must flow from the primary questions. Sen. Boni, you are lucky I did not rule you out of order. Please, do not push the Chair to those limits. Proceed, Sen. Enock."
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"content": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir."
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