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"content": " Next is Sen. George Mbugua."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Hon. Cabinet Secretary, I would like you to tell this House what specific interventions your Ministry has done to help women with disabilities access loans on digitized platform and how many groups of women with disabilities have benefited."
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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Eddy."
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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Good morning, Cabinet Secretary? Let me also take this opportunity to congratulate you on your new role. Today, I am seeing Members of the House welcoming you to this House amicably. We, as a House, in our oversight role, have faced a lot of challenges. There are a few Cabinet Secretaries who sometimes are contemptuous in terms of honouring invitations by this House. I want to wish you the courage to veer from that path even as you take this new role. When we invite you, I hope that you will honour this House more than some Cabinet Secretaries have done before. That said, I would like to ask a quick follow-up question. I think it was last week when we had the Cabinet Secretary in charge of the cooperatives here talking about the Hustler Fund. One of the challenges is that there is no clear framework in terms of proper follow-up on how people pay for that money. On this particular Fund that you administer, what is the framework to ensure that people abide by the rules and pay back when it is required and make sure that there is an evaluation framework for the impact of those funds for the women? What are the metrics that you use to evaluate that the money is used to ensure there is return on investment on those funds?"
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"content": " Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond."
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"content": " Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for those questions. I will attempt to answer. For questions that I will not be able to answer in full, we will make a commitment. The first question was by the Senate Majority Leader seeking to know how much we requested through the budget process. What we have is Kshs4.5 billion. If that amount is approved, it will help us to push this agenda. Another question was about the issue of county collaboration. The WEF is trying as much as possible to reach out to county governments because that is where majority of the Kenyan populace is. We can make strides if we work together with the counties. From the data that we have, WEF is in collaboration with Nairobi City, Uasin Gishu, and Kilifi counties. They are still engaging with the other counties, with our help as a Ministry, to ensure that other counties are also reached. The other question was by Sen. Kathuri, who sought to know the performance of the Fund since inception. Since its inception, the amount of money that has been disbursed is Kshs27 billion to over 136,000 groups. Another question was whether we support the merger. The challenge with the merger is specialised groups. For example, women have their special way of doing things and so are other groups. If we merge without looking at the ripple effect, most likely it will start frustrating efforts that have been made. As one Member said, women have a lot The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "of issues and a specialised way of meeting their needs. Therefore, it is important that we pilot first before merging because it may kill the original objective. Sen. Veronica Maina asked about the security that the groups are supposed to have. We are engaging the groups at the grassroots level, including the chiefs who know these women and help when we are tracking the monies that have not been paid. Actually, that is where we had a challenge when it came to digitalization because there was no follow-up. However, the 10 members who belong to that group are known to the local administration, and that is almost the main security that we are looking at. We have officers who are monitoring and ensuring that we follow the repayment of that money on a daily basis because they are in contact and they have their records. Sen. Mbugua asked the question about Persons with Disabilities (PWDs). On this, I would beg that I be allowed to get more details because this is a group that has to be dealt with clearly. I will be seeking for more clarification, although the answer that I have is that we will design a product that will be specific. Allow me to follow up, so that we get what is actually tailor-made specifically for the PWDs. On the issue of the recovery framework, we are looking at the physical visits and meetings of the individual borrowers. The group members guarantee themselves. These people are being reached at the level in which they even understand the language, because forms and issues of borrowing are mostly in a language that sometimes may be difficult for them to interpret. However, the officers who are reaching out to them are able to explain to them how they can fill those forms, use the money and repay back. Those are the answers that I have. In case there is anything that we have not clarified, we shall be seeking for more time to respond. About Marsabit County, yes, we commit to visit so that we can find out what is happening and how the women would want us to move together. I commit to that."
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"content": " Sen. Madzayo, please proceed. What is your issue, Sen. Veronica, before Sen. Madzayo takes to the Floor?"
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"content": "Perhaps, the Hon. Cabinet Secretary can take time and bring the answer later. What is the Ministry doing to make sure the Fund is reaching many more women, especially seeing that those who have benefited here are very few? On the issue of security, it was in respect of what the Ministry is doing to ensure even the formal banking sector has reduced the need for the heavy securities that women do not own, for example, title deeds, that make it difficult for women to access more finance from the formal banking sector. What is the Ministry doing to ensure that those requirements are eased for women to make it easy to access credit?"
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