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"content": " Proceed, Sen. Eddy."
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"content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my brother, Sen. Cherarkey, has just spoken about the UHC workers. He has said that there should be Kshs2 billion allocated for them. I wanted to inform Sen. Cherarkey that, because we share the gravity of this issue, Kshs2 billion cannot be enough for them. The money that we need to make sure that UHCs are actually compensated properly is Kshs3.5 billion. I wanted to inform you that is a very important number that we cannot go below. Most importantly, we also cannot compromise the issue of permanent and pensionable The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "terms for them. Therefore, even as you combine those two, the Kshs2 billion is too small for them. It should be Kshs3.5 billion and above."
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"content": " Sen. Cherarkey, you are well informed."
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"content": "He has the advantage of sitting in the Committee of Finance and Budget as a Member. As we go for mediation, our bare minimum is to ensure that Kshs3.5 billion is ring-fenced for payment of gratuity and hiring on permanent and pensionable of UHC staff. I am happy even during the debate on permanent and pensionable, we did push for Kshs 6,000 for Junior Secondary Schools (JSS). I am coming up with a proposal to amend the Public Service Commission (PSC) Act; that all public service commission interns who intern with Government must be transited to permanent and pensionable terms after six months. This will ensure that we retrain the quality of training of those staff and we do not pay stipend. As we talk, even as the UHC staff demonstrate, it is sad because in our hospitals, there are no services, yet we have staff who have already been trained. I want to advise the CoG and the Ministry of Health, let us not lose the UHC staff because they are already trained, they have worked and they have experience. The least we could do as a country is to appreciate the heroes and heroines of the COVID-19 pandemic. You remember, soldiers could not come out of the barracks because no one knew how to handle COVID-19 in this country. Therefore, we must look at the issues of the UHC staff and Community Health Volunteers (CHVs). I have seen the reasoning of allocating the public debt, which is approaching Kshs11 trillion. I want to call upon and challenge the Committee on Finance and Budget of the National Assembly and the Senate and His Excellency the President, to do an audit of the public debt to help us know, in this Kshs11 trillion, who do we owe and who owes us. It cannot be that the country pays a public debt and an audit has never been done about the Kshs11 trillion. One of the things that Parliament can do, is to demand an audit of the entire public debt that the country is paying. We have to tax Kenyans and borrow, so that we can pay debt, because in the past regime, there was reckless spending and abandonment on borrowing. We cannot account for that money through the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) or the infrastructure roads. We must demand for an audit of the public debt in this country of Kshs11 trillion. It is very disappointing that most of the businessmen in Meru, Nandi, Kilifi, Narok, Migori, Garissa and Isiolo, are suffering because of lack of payment of pending bills. It cannot be that the Controller of Budget (CoB) is releasing money, yet we have pending bills of Kshs185.446 billion. You are killing our small business. I remember Sen. Gicheru was coming up with a Bill on Start-Ups. How will we support the small businesses in our villages and in our counties if we do not pay pending bills? If you can recall Sen. Ledama's Motion, we had resolved as a House that pending bills must be paid. In the last session, the National Treasury issued a circular that counties must give an undertaking of payment of pending bills. Nonetheless, it is sad that pending bills as of today amount to Kshs185.46 billion, with Nairobi leading with over Kshs100 billion. We must be told where the money is going to. When you go to the Controller of Budget, the requisitions have been met. When you come to the pending bills, we have a problem called voiding of payments whereby The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "you take the money to pay X, but end up paying Y. We must be told about this public debt. On the issue of the Equalisation Fund, under Article 204, I want to request that the Committee on Finance and Budget to tell the nation what happened to the Equalisation Fund. We have been passing time and Nandi is supposed to benefit in Kapchorwa Ward, Soba-Songhor and Chemelil Chemase Ward. Although Terek and Chepterwai Ward should be beneficiaries in Nandi County, we are yet to get it. We must also demand a special audit by the office of the Auditor-General (OAG) to look into the Equalisation Fund. I know Meru and Kilifi counties are beneficiaries. Many other counties should benefit from the Equalisation Fund. Finally, the fifth point is on own-source revenue. We must agree, the revenue potential, for example, of Nairobi is Kshs63 billion, but when they collect Kshs11 billion or Kshs13 billion, they become excited. The revenue potential of Nandi is Kshs800 million, but when Governor Sang collects Kshs200 million, it is a celebration. Is it a case where a chicken lays an egg and makes a lot of noise as opposed to a cow, which gives a lot of milk? We must relook at the own-source revenue. For Nandi, we have multinational tea estates, land rates, land rent, among others. I want to challenge counties and I want to warn the governors, no governor is special. Even if you criticize the President, you are not special. We want to tell the Governor of Trans Nzoia that he must be held accountable. However, much he tries to politicize the issue, he must face the full wrath of the law. In this country, people should avoid bad manners. I want to thank Her Excellency Samia Suluhu Hassan, for calling out the activists who wanted to go and disrupt the peace in Tanzania. Additionally, she should have detained and prosecuted them because they have taught this country bad manners. These activists have taught our people to insult, undermine and lose respect to the leadership of this country. Tanzania is a very peaceful country. What President Samia Suluhu Hassan said, we should respect our countries. There is mutual respect. The activists who run around East Africa trying to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries must be stopped. Essentially, what business would you have to go and meddle in the affairs of Tanzania? I want to ask President Samia Suluhu Hassan of Tanzania to be very careful because these activists are funded by enemies of Africa, who want to destabilize the peace and tranquility of most African nations. You even saw in the last Gen Z protests. There were allegations that international donors were financing instability in this country using what we call the international donors. I want to ask President Samia Suluhu Hassan, that in the spirit of East Africa, she should assist us to discipline some of these ill-behaved activists who have continued to destabilize Kenya. The island of peace of Tanzania must be protected na awafinyekabisa."
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"content": " Sen. Cherarkey, can you relate what you are now discussing with the Division of Revenue Bill? Can you relate the two because you are digressing? The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Okay, I am trying to relate. What I am saying is that we need stability in Tanzania and Kenya because there is balance of trade. We export and import. We get taxes, then we build on the Division of Revenue. That is why I am saying we should not disturb the peace and unity of Tanzania. I am asking Samia Suluhu Hassan"
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"content": "afinye hao kabisa."
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"content": " Just a minute. Sen. Oketch, what is your point of order?"
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