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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to speak to the reason we can easily disagree. The first one is that the people of Nairobi, Nakuru, Kiambu and Kakamega can paralyse this debate by saying that the population factor should be enhanced. Let them give in because we will lose something."
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"content": "Because of the vast nature of their counties, the Senators for Marsabit, Mandera, Turkana, Wajir, Garissa and Isiolo can easily frustrate this debate by talking about landmass and water mass. We know counties with high poverty indices, including Mandera, Wajir, Turkana, Kilifi, Kwale and so on and so forth. They can frustrate this debate by insisting that we emphasise about poverty. I appeal to them; let us give and take."
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"content": "Finally, I want to speak to our professionals at the Commission on Revenue Allocation (CRA) who had proposed that in this formula, we introduce a new factor called income distance. I would like them to bear with the Committee. We understood them very well and tried to see how best we could carry the country on something which 99 per cent of Kenyans were hearing for the first time in their lives, despite their good education. We want to persuade them that the nearest we can bring to income distance is that it was trying to factor in gross county product, something that is not backed by proper data in the country as I speak. Therefore, going forward, maybe income distance will be a factor in sharing of revenue in this country."
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"content": "What is more? It was based on Nairobi, yet Nairobi is one of the counties sharing with other counties. If, for example, this formula was being applied in the United States of America, it would have been easier for somebody from Pennsylvania, knowing that it was being based on Washington DC, to understand because in the United States of America, Washington DC is not regarded at the same level like the other states. Mr. Speaker, Sir, having said this, with due respect, all politics is local. I, therefore, would like to speak my locality. When devolution came, there are a few of us, and I am glad that the Speaker, Sen. Mungatana and Sen. Oburu Odinga were there. That is as many as we were, at that time. There are those of us who believed, and we ended up being in the minority, that what we needed was to create economically viable units so much so that, at that time, we were talking about a maximum of 14 counties. Well, the emotions of, “we do not want our community to be in the same county with this community, or we want our community to have its own county, or we want our community to have so many counties”, carried the day. However, today, in the third cycle of devolution, we are now realizing that bigger economic blocs present better viabilities for our counties than the smaller ones. This morning, the Senator of Vihiga County, while you were away, I remembered how, out of the blue, Vihiga County was hived out of Kakamega County. We never told them."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "The people of Idakho and Isukha were doing well when they were with the Tirikis, Banyores, and Maragolis of Vihiga County. The people of Kabras were doing well when we were like that. In fact, with the intermarriages that have been taking place between our houses, sometimes our children will start thinking that the people of Vihiga County are different from the people of Kakamega County, yet it is not true. So, I feel very uncomfortable that Kakamega County can get so many billions of shillings, while Vihiga County, where my own sisters and brothers are, gets almost nothing to do meaningful flagship projects so that in ten years, when you go to the bigger brother in Kakamega County, we have realised multi-billion stadium, a teaching and referral hospital, hundreds of kilometres of tarmac roads worth hundreds of millions of shillings, yet in Vihiga County they can hardly do anything. So, Mr. Speaker, Sir, this provoked us to agree with the Kamkunji, which proposed that despite having a basic allocation of Kshs387.5 billion to make sure that no county loses, we should bring in another factor, which the Parliamentary Budget Office, for lack of a better terminology, called it the Affirmative Action Allocation. This Affirmative Action Allocation is meant to say the following, members of the public--- That, 11 counties in this country, get below Kshs5 billion, which they literally spend on recurrent expenditure. There is no much development that you can talk about, and this is why I was referring to my neighbour, Vihiga County. So, we have said, let us have an Affirmative Action that will attract some more funds, but not lead to the rest of the counties losing, so that whereas all of us are winning, the 11 counties will be brought up, so that they have slightly more money for development. These counties are: Nyamira, Samburu, Taita-Taveta, Tharaka-Nithi, Vihiga, Elgeyo-Marakwet, Embu, Isiolo, Kirinyaga, Laikipia and Lamu. This is what we decided, after drawing from the wisdom of the two Kamkunjis. So, this is enough reason for us to say, Sen. Osotsi, that the consultation that you want to look for has sufficiently been addressed. Nothing can be perfect. I remember the Senator of Kitui County persuaded me in the first Kamukunji. He brought the analogy of pick-ups carrying vaccines to go from the centre to some area in North Horr, and I was convinced. This is the purpose of debate. As the Senator of Nairobi City County has said, we listen to each other, so that we can convince each other for the good of the country. Mr. Speaker, Sir, with those remarks, before I conclude, allow me to congratulate the football fans of Gor Mahia Football Club (FC) from Homa Bay. When we went to play yesterday against Gor Mahia, we were worried that there was going to be the misbehaviour I saw between the fans of Shabana and Gor Mahia in Kisii. It was very shameful to see Kenyan fans injuring each other at Gusii Stadium just because Shabana was playing against Gor Mahia. Yesterday, most of my young people were asking me, should we go? I told them, “go, I have talked to Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, Sen. Kajwang’ and Sen. Beatrice Oyomo, and they have told me that for the first time, Luos will not make noise, they will just be cheering.” We know you as our noisy neighbours and we do not complain. Mr. Speaker, Sir, with those remarks, I second."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": " Hon. Senators, the Floor is now open for debate. I call upon the Hon. Senator for Vihiga County to take the Floor."
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