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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, having done this comparison, I request my colleagues in this House to have some sympathy on us from the small counties. This is because we have laid our case about development. I am happy Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has really supported that. So, we ask you, hon. colleagues, that even as we discuss this, let us not be disadvantaged. I think this is the basis on which the CRA came up with their formula. The only way small counties can benefit is through equal share because the other parameters are not favourable. Population and land area are not favourable to us. The Third Basis formula, which had eight parameters, population at 18 per cent, health at 17 per cent, basic share at 20 per cent, poverty at 14 per cent, land area at 8 per cent, agriculture at 10 per cent, urban services 5 per cent, rural access 8 per cent. All those factors, except the basic share, do not favour the small counties."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am saying that because the formula that the Committee is proposing to us has two components. It is taking Kshs387 billion, which was based on the Third Basis as a base, and then sharing the remaining Kshs12 billion and applying a basic share in this formula. I am saying that for clarity because I heard some Committee member saying we have increased the basic share. They have only increased the basic share on the Kshs12 billion, not on the entire amount. The CRA formula was increasing the basic share from 20 per cent to 22 per cent on the entire amount with a zero base but this formula is putting 35 per cent equal share on Kshs12 billion only. So, it is not favourable to us. All these factors of health, poverty, agriculture and urban are all based on population. It does not favour the small counties, yet a component of that formula has been applied in the fourth basis proposal. Even the second basis is still using population at 45 per cent. Equal share, this one was favourable, 26 per cent; land, 8 per cent; and, poverty at 18 per cent. All that is not favouring us, except the equal share. If you really want to help small counties, all the other factors are not helping them, but the factor of equal share. That is why CRA increased the equal share from 20 per cent to 22 per cent, which is why according to the CRA formula, the small counties are gaining. Mr. Speaker, Sir, even as we speak about this formula, let us look at the equal share. The equal share in this formula proposed by the committee is not favourable because it is being applied on Kshs12 billion only. How I would wish that we talk about population density. In fact, whoever proposed these factors should have considered population density. For instance, a county such as Kirinyaga or Vihiga where people live in less than a half an acre piece of land are hugely populated. That contributes to many other factors like poverty and the rest. That has not been taken into account in this formula. We need to consult more. We should not be in a hurry to pass this formula because the first basis, second and third basis formula are all unconstitutional because they do not comply to Article 203 of the Constitution. God forbid, if someone went to court, he would stop this process on the basis of Article 203 of the Constitution. We need to sit, reason together and consider that one principle that all counties should gain. Second principle, we need to uplift the small counties. If we do so, then we will make sense. When we are discussing the formula depending on how we push is the point where we need to have a huge increase in shareable revenue. During the debate for the third basis, there was a huge increase in revenue because each county needed to gain. For each county to gain, we do not need to look at the figures that have been there, Kshs387 billion or Kshs405 billion. We need to look at the figure, for instance, Kshs465 billion that we are proposing in the Division of Revenue Act (DORA). So, let us not put our minds on Kshs387 or Kshs405 billion. As we discuss, let us focus on Kshs465 billion. That is how you will help the small counties to make sense and be viable."
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"content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not want to proceed beyond this. With humility I ask our colleagues to kindly be considerate. Think about those counties that cannot do development. Think about those counties that exist only to employ people and to pay salaries and there is no development."
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"content": "[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair]"
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"content": "I also encourage that the formula proposed by the Committee should have looked at the physical effort of the counties. Why are we giving money to the counties without making them accountable? The second base is trying to put it at two per cent. We have a lot of challenges in our county on physical accountability. Let us think about that, even as we struggle to put more money to our counties. Let us consider physical effort. I also like the development factor that was used in the second basis. Let us look at how development is done in our counties and use that as a basis for the new formula. These are issues that I am raising, but we need to caucus more. We should not be in a hurry to pass this and come up with a formula that is acceptable to all of us. We are being asked where our formula is and yet, we have a competent budget office in this house. We are making proposals. They should come up with a formula with what I am discussing here, so that we agree, look at the simulation and move forward as one House. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, with those few remarks, I reject this formula as it is. However, I am open for more discussion to have an agreeable formula that will be fair to all the counties. I support."
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