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"content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I stand to support this report with the amendment that was introduced this morning; the amendment that introduced an affirmative action fund that ring-fenced Kshs2 billion for the 11 counties that had the lowest figures."
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"content": "I want to support because in the third formula - where I was present and I sat on the chair you are sitting on. It took us about 11 very difficult sittings, but something that came out very clearly was the unity of the House. Sen. Kinyua will remember that the House was united in speaking fairness. I want to thank this Committee because, if you look at the observations that they have given, they have not deviated from fairness. The parameters that have been used are slightly different because in the Third Formula we wanted to look at the second part of the Fourth Schedule. We had asked for more money, so that we could have the devolved functions being followed by resources. When we did not succeed, this House decided to break the boundary between the two sides of the House. They debated and came up with a formula that was implemented and made everybody happy. I am appealing to the House that we do exactly the same. Let us think in terms of our unity and fairness. In the Fourth Basis, according to the Committee, sharing is still looked at as a devolved function, not within the parameters that we had used. They have looked at the functions globally. They have ensured that first, nobody loses, which was the principle that came out very strongly in the Third Basis that nobody should go below what they had gotten. I want to support that as we look at this formula, let us think in terms of sustaining the momentum of devolution. This is the House that protects devolution. It will be very sad that we squabble and have squabbles that derail us. Our focus should be on how we can protect devolution by sustaining the growth of everybody. We know that some colleagues feel that they should have been fast-tracked a little bit, but if you look at the agreement of this morning to release the Kshs2 billion, that is a step in the right direction. I still think that we should persuade all our colleagues to agree with this formula. The reason we need unity in this House is because the amount of money that we are"
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "getting is still not the figure that we wanted. The Committee's initial proposal was Kshs465 billion and we only got Kshs405 billion. So, we need unity of purpose to look for that Kshs60 billion. We must reach a point where we can talk in one voice, so that we get the figure that we are looking for. A divided House will not be able to do that. At the end of this debate, we must remain united and consider the fact that all of us must move together. I want to persuade my colleagues to accept the resolutions that came from today's Kamukunji because we called for it for that very purpose. Madam Temporary Speaker, where is the actual problem with the money, because we seem to be fighting over a little money? The actual problem is the progression in funding the counties. At the Bomas of Kenya, the ideal situation was that in 20 years, 50 per cent of the resources of this country would be in the devolved units. We expected 50 per cent to be in counties in 20 years. Right now, we are only in the third term and the rate at which we are going, we will not reach 50 per cent. As a House, we need to be united to refocus and fight for resources to go down to the counties. That is possible because there are functions that have been devolved, but resources have not followed. Even though the committee is saying in Paragraph H that the funds have been shared in the context of the devolved functions, we still have a lot of functions that are supposedly devolved in the Constitution, but they have not been funded. I said this during the debate of the Third Formula and I want to repeat it that Kilimo House is still full. The Ministry of Health is still full of staff who were supposed to have transitioned to take care of our counties. If that is done, if we transfer resources that are in the Ministry of Agriculture and the Ministry of Health rightfully to the counties, there is hope of us reaching the 50 per cent in the next 10 years, if not 20 years. That calls for unity within this House. It is very important that we stand united as we debate the division of revenue, so that we do not fight over the little that has arrived when we know that there is a lot more that should be coming. We know that roads and housing should be devolved. Of course, as I said, also agriculture, except for policy makers. The occupancy of the Ministry of Agriculture should just be one floor where the Minister is, his principal secretaries and directors; nothing more than that. All other functions and monies should be devolved. The same thing with the Ministry of Health. If health has been devolved and we still have everybody in Nairobi, most of the money is still in Nairobi. We are informed that what the counties are getting in health is less than 50 per cent. This has been raised several times by the CRA when they are explaining to us that we seem to be fighting over what we have seen with our naked eyes, but there is a lot more that we are not seeing. I would like to really appeal to the House that we go for unity of purpose while we are debating and while we are approving. I am glad my brother, Sen. Osotsi, is here. If we start fighting over the little things, we will not be able to devolve everything. Let us devolve agriculture and health, except for the policy, the way the Constitution says and look for new monies. I am looking for new monies that will follow the functions that have been devolved by the Constitution."
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"content": "The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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"content": "If we had Kshs465 billion, the debate would not be here because everybody would have jumped in billions. However, now that we have restricted ourselves to the minimum increment that we have been given, we still need to have this conversation with the National Assembly at some point because it is like they have never understood what devolution is all about. No wonder we are still fighting over who supports and who does not support the NG-CDF. The national Government has the right to devolve its money and resources to the lowest unit, but while they are doing that, that is not money that belongs to the devolved units. We want the money that belongs to the devolved units according to the Constitution, so that we can develop the agendas that were devolved. Madam Temporary Speaker, I was not going to say a lot because most of my colleagues have said most of the things that are here. However, I want to emphasize that there is need for unity in this House. Let us negotiate and let us finish the way we did with the Third Formula. Let us negotiate and move to together to ensure we are looking for money that has been touched since devolution came, so that we move forward with devolution. Devolution is one thing that Kenyans are not going to take a risk in diminishing. Since this is the only avenue for Kenyans to develop, we must all be together."
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"content": "My cry is, “let us move together. Let us not be divided by the division of revenue. Let us look for money that has not been given to us and the devolved functions that have not been followed by money. Let us demand for that money with one voice. That is going to move us far."
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"content": "I support with the amendments introduced this morning in the kamukunji."
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"speaker_name": "Sen. Kinyua",
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"content": "Asante Bi. Spika wa muda kwa kunipa fursa hii. Ninashukuru Kamati ya Fedha na Bajeti kwa kazi nzuri waliyofanya kwa kuleta mpangilio wa ugavi wa fedha."
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"content": "Ikumbukwe wazi kama vile Sen. (Prof.) Kamar alivyosema ya kwamba Seneti iliyopita kauli mbiu ilikuwa hakuna kaunti ingepoteza pesa. Huo ndio msimamo kwa sababu Katiba yetu inasema kazi ya Seneta ni kulinda na kutetea kaunti zetu. Sen. Mandago hatetei Uasin Gishu tu bali ana jukumu la kutetea kaunti zote za Jamhuri ya Kenya kwa sababu ni Seneta wa Kenya."
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